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 Tournament question, chasepoker, 23. Oct 2003 19:37 | ||
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| Just like some opinions on this hand: $30 S and G at Paradise twenty hands in 2 people busted quite a loose though not crazy table. Blinds 30/60 i am in the BB with AcTd and have yet to play a hand, MP who has played about 6/20 hands so far some good hands, some not so good with T2000 ( he has doubled up) calls, all fold to SB who calls ( he has T660 ) 3 handed for the flop. Flop comes Th 6h 2d, SB checks i bet 180 ( the pot ) and MP raises to T600 and SB calls all in. What would you do in this spot ? I consider myself one of the better players at the table ( based on previous results not any real knowledge about the players) I will post my results later. Cheers Chase | ||
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| Re: Tournament question, Schuster, 23. Oct 2003 21:01 | ||
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| Easy fold, and I suspect you folded, but were left wondering because it turned out that you had the best hand. If that is the case, I'd say MP has a flush draw and the small blind has something like KT or QT? Don't let it get to you. A reraise and an overcall isn't good news for just top pair top kicker most of the time. Lee | ||
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| Re: Tournament question, Formless, 23. Oct 2003 21:24 | ||
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| You are against two players representing very big hands early in a tournament. Your hand is very good but not great, and even though you have top pair now it is only a pair of tens. Even if you are up against two total bluffs like KQ and JA you will often lose to overcards anyway. In order to win at NL you need to be able to lay down top pair top kicker. It costs zero to fold and your whole stack to find out if you are good. The pot is at least partially multiway. Unless you are a bad player who doesn't have much of a chance anyway, I think you should fold and wait for a better spot, even if you have a small edge here. As usual, my suggestion is to checkraise, or check-fold, the flop. Unless it is 2 all in stacks when it gets back to you you probably have the best hand. This way you find out what they have without losing 180 chips. I'm not saying checkraise or fold is absolutely the right play here, betting the pot like you did lets you find out in a hurry where you are at, but you should consider it. Final suggestion: Play at Party , the games are money! | ||
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| Re: Tournament question, Schuster, 23. Oct 2003 21:48 | ||
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| I adamantly disagree with checkraising this hand with this flop. What do you do if it gets checked around and a J, Q, or K falls? Or worse, a 3rd flush card? This is no limit poker. You can give the drawing hands all the bad odds you want, so there is no need to confront the field with a double bet to try to thin it out. Your hand is strong enough for a pot sized bet, but it is still fragile, and it needs to be protected. There is no way I risk giving a free card here. Checkraising in a spot like this against most opponents would be a grave error in my opinion, in no limit and limit poker. Lee | ||
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| Re: Tournament question, LKP, 24. Oct 2003 01:09 | ||
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| You'd check raise? Why is that? In my opinion, I think I would definitely make a fairly sizeable bet. You have top pair, but it's only a ten. If the next card were a jack, queen, or king, you might just have screwed yourself. If the next card is a heart, you may have just given someone the flush and screwed yourself. If a 9 8 7 5 4 or 3 come out, you could have just given someone a straight (although these straights are a little unlikely, it's dangerously possible that the SB or the loose MP bettor has a straight). If a 6 or a 2 comes out, someone may have drawn trips. In other words, any card in the deck could possibly give someone a good hand except for the As Ad 10c or 10s. Now the likelihood of someone having trips if the board pairs, or having a straight after an 8 falls is pretty rare. But nevertheless, I want to make someone pay to see that magic turn card come up. A situation like that is not the time to give someone free cards in my opinion. Granted, the other two came out betting big, but you never know. | ||
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| Re: Tournament question, LKP, 24. Oct 2003 00:53 | ||
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| It was rather early in the tournament, so I would have definitely folded. I play on Party, so I'm not sure if the games are drastically different, but my main strategy in the beginning is to play conservatively and guard my chips. I would have bet out like you did due to the flush draw out there. Considering what you said about the MP, I could see him betting strong with a 10 J. I would probably say the small blind was on a desperate flush draw. In my opinion, I think one of the most difficult things in tournament poker is to overcome your anger over getting bluffed. I used to (and probably still do) call a lot more than I should because I "just know he's trying to bluff me". So what? Say goodbye to the chips you already put in the pot and live to fight another day. | ||
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| Re: Tournament question, Dr_Monkey, 24. Oct 2003 04:30 | ||
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| Smells like someone made their set. The MP could be trying to bully you with his chip size, BUT the MP didn't have much invested in the pot so his all in concerns me more. I would fold and let them fight it out. on 23. Oct 2003 19:37 chasepoker wrote: > Just like some opinions on this hand: > > $30 S and G at Paradise twenty hands in 2 people busted quite a loose though > not crazy table. Blinds 30/60 i am in the BB with AcTd and have yet to play a > hand, MP who has played about 6/20 hands so far some good hands, some not so > good with T2000 ( he has doubled up) calls, all fold to SB who calls ( he has > T660 ) 3 handed for the flop. > > Flop comes Th 6h 2d, SB checks i bet 180 ( the pot ) and MP raises to T600 and > SB calls all in. > > What would you do in this spot ? I consider myself one of the better players at > the table ( based on previous results not any real knowledge about the players) > I will post my results later. > > Cheers > Chase | ||
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| Re: Tournament question RESULTS, chasepoker, 26. Oct 2003 03:07 | ||
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| As it happened i folded and the original bettor showed ATo and the all in guy a flush draw. The flush didnt come and i would have had a split pot. Chasepoker | ||
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