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 asking to see mucked cards, Joel, 23. Oct 2003 10:48 | ||
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| What is the rule for requesting to see mucked hands after a showdown? Is it just a called hand that is mucked instead of shown or can any hand in the showdown be forced to be shown? Thanks | ||
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| Re: asking to see mucked cards, Mark Barnett II, 23. Oct 2003 10:52 | ||
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| as far as i know any hand that reaches showdown can be requested to be shown | ||
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| Re: asking to see mucked cards, KJo, 23. Oct 2003 13:20 | ||
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| Called hands only. Eli on 23. Oct 2003 10:48 Joel wrote: > What is the rule for requesting to see mucked hands after a showdown? Is it > just a called hand that is mucked instead of shown or can any hand in the > showdown be forced to be shown? > > Thanks | ||
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| Re: asking to see mucked cards, Joel, 23. Oct 2003 14:17 | ||
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| Just to be clear, can anyone at the table ask to see a called hand? And the caller doe not have to show his hand? Thanks, Joel on 23. Oct 2003 13:20 KJo wrote: > Called hands only. > > > Eli > > on 23. Oct 2003 10:48 Joel wrote: > > What is the rule for requesting to see mucked hands after a showdown? Is it > > just a called hand that is mucked instead of shown or can any hand in the > > showdown be forced to be shown? > > > > Thanks | ||
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| Re: asking to see mucked cards, mkpoker, 23. Oct 2003 14:20 | ||
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| Yes. Any player may asked to see a called hand. But you need to pick your spots carefully. It's considered rude to constantly ask to see called hands (it slows up the game), so you don't want to ask too often. | ||
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| Re: asking to see mucked cards, hokie95, 23. Oct 2003 14:22 | ||
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| My limited experience is that anyone can ask where it is permitted and if anyone asks, everyone gets to see. Frankly, I think it's a minor breach of etiquette. If I call a hand and lose, I should get to throw them away if I want to. I've found that when I get asked, a scornful, "oh, you're one of THOSE..." keeps it from happening again. That, and lightening fast tosses into the muck. As always, I may be on crack on this issue. -Hokie95 | ||
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| Re: asking to see mucked cards, ReMMy, 23. Oct 2003 14:25 | ||
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| If they want to win the pot they need to show. If someone has already shown a hand that beats them, or they choose not to show a possible winning hand(because they assume they are beaten by a later caller) then they can muck... | ||
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| Re: asking to see mucked cards, Blue Sky, 23. Oct 2003 15:08 | ||
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| This is one of the most misunderstood rules of poker IMHO. The rule was created as a way to stop cheaters. Players you believe to be in collusion against you to be exact. The only reason a player should ask to see another's hand is if they believe they have been cheated, not other reasons exist to ask to see another players hand! In general, you can ask to see any hand that calls the river. You also must of atleast called the river and been involved in the hand, so no, not just any old player at the table can request to see the hand. You must also know the state's gaming rules. Some states consider any hand shown to be live if it has called the bet. Other states consider a hand dead once it has touched the muck pile. There are a ton of stories where someone has miss-read a hand and the winning player has requested to see the hand and the dealer reads the hand and the player that miss-read his hand was given the pot because the dealer correctly read the hand to be the winner. How dumb would you feel if your curiosity took over and you asked to see a hand that now actually beats you and you lose a pot that would of been yours if you hadn't asked to see it. Many people who misunderstand the rule claim that they want to see their opponents hand for information. Basically theses players have no clue about the game and they have now just announced to the table that they are either a new player who can be pushed around and/or that they cannot read from their opponents actions what hands they were against. If an opponent of mine was reapetatively asking to see my hand I would make a bluff move at a small pot and let them see the hand when they requested Then I'd wait until I have the mortal nuts and shove the hand down their throat b/c they now believe they have a read on me as a bluffer. In general, It is bad etiquette to ask to see any one else's hand and you are probably doing yourself more harm then good when you do it. | ||
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| Re: asking to see mucked cards, KJo, 24. Oct 2003 09:33 | ||
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| Here in LA any player can ask to see the hand, whether that player was involved in the hand to the river or not. As for etiquette, the rule of thumb where I play is that you can ask once per round, even though there is no specific rule preventing someone from asking on every hand. Eli on 23. Oct 2003 15:08 Blue Sky wrote: > This is one of the most misunderstood rules of poker IMHO. The rule was created as a > way to stop cheaters. Players you believe to be in collusion against you to be > exact. The only reason a player should ask to see another's hand is if they believe > they have been cheated, not other reasons exist to ask to see another players hand! > > In general, you can ask to see any hand that calls the river. You also must of > atleast called the river and been involved in the hand, so no, not just any old > player at the table can request to see the hand. > > You must also know the state's gaming rules. Some states consider any hand shown to > be live if it has called the bet. Other states consider a hand dead once it has > touched the muck pile. There are a ton of stories where someone has miss-read a hand > and the winning player has requested to see the hand and the dealer reads the hand > and the player that miss-read his hand was given the pot because the dealer correctly > read the hand to be the winner. How dumb would you feel if your curiosity took over > and you asked to see a hand that now actually beats you and you lose a pot that would > of been yours if you hadn't asked to see it. > > Many people who misunderstand the rule claim that they want to see their opponents > hand for information. Basically theses players have no clue about the game and they > have now just announced to the table that they are either a new player who can be > pushed around and/or that they cannot read from their opponents actions what hands > they were against. If an opponent of mine was reapetatively asking to see my hand I > would make a bluff move at a small pot and let them see the hand when they requested > Then I'd wait until I have the mortal nuts and shove the hand down their throat b/c > they now believe they have a read on me as a bluffer. > > In general, It is bad etiquette to ask to see any one else's hand and you are > probably doing yourself more harm then good when you do it. | ||
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| Re: asking to see mucked cards, LJH, 27. Oct 2003 14:15 | ||
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| JOEL, ONCE THEIR IN THEMUCK YOU CANNOT SEE THEM.LJH | ||
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| Re: asking to see mucked cards - BTW, ManicStarSeed, 27. Oct 2003 15:06 | ||
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| This is online info... dosent apply to B&M.. I just noticed that if you look at the hand histories on UB, It will show you what is mucked at showdown. Mss | ||
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| Re: asking to see mucked cards, MozMan, 27. Oct 2003 17:16 | ||
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| Basically, any player at the table can ask to see any hand that called the final bet (if the player folded to the river bet, then you can't ask to see his hand), as long as it's not in the muck... which is why I always throw my hand directly into the muck when I decide not to show. -Moz "Did you exchange a walk-on part in a war for the lead-role in a cage?" | ||
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