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 7 stud blinds, Joel, 22. Oct 2003 09:08 | ||
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| Is there an accepted way to do two blinds and no ante in 7 stud? | ||
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| Re: 7 stud blinds, Mark Barnett II, 22. Oct 2003 12:23 | ||
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| the problem with stud is the bring in the 2 ways i have seen stud played is either an ante or just the bring in i suppose you could play stud like holdem the first round where there is a dealer button and a small and big blind but since betting order can get changed every round because of up cards im not sure what problems this might cause. | ||
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| Re: 7 stud blinds, 4 POKER, 22. Oct 2003 14:38 | ||
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| on 22. Oct 2003 09:08 Joel wrote: > Is there an accepted way to do two blinds and no ante in 7 stud? ( I have a few questions:) What is the need or the desire to change the format of a stud game, and also, what about the player who's supposed to be the bring-in on each hand, and is that going to be eliminated as well? (thanks Joel). 4P- | ||
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| Re: 7 stud blinds, Joel, 22. Oct 2003 16:47 | ||
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| We play a home game mostly holdem/Omaha/Pinapple... Pot limit w/2 blinds. A player wants to play 7 stud, but we would like to keep two blinds and no ante for consistency. Some players don't like the idea of antes and some don't like the Idea of a single bring in when there two blinds on all other rounds. I suppose there could be two bring ins...$2 for the low card and $1 for the high...ideas? on 22. Oct 2003 14:38 4 POKER wrote: > on 22. Oct 2003 09:08 Joel wrote: > > Is there an accepted way to do two blinds and no ante in 7 stud? > > > ( I have a few questions:) What is the need or the desire to change the format of a > stud game, and also, what about the player who's supposed to be the bring-in on each > hand, and is that going to be eliminated as well? > > (thanks Joel). > > > 4P- | ||
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| Re: 7 stud blinds, 4 POKER, 22. Oct 2003 17:36 | ||
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| Hi, If you want to play stud with no ante, that would be okay; but to make two players be forced to bring it in, (the low card and the high card), isn't really the way stud is supposed to be played. Reason being, one of the advantages of having the highest doorcard in stud is being able to raise just on strength (rank) alone, without having to put up any initial bets up front. If they're not happy with that structure, then I would see if I could (perhaps) reason with that one player who wanted to play stud, to just keep the games the way they were. But if you're content with playing stud with a different format, and it works.....then go ahead. Make everyone happy! Good luck. 4P- | ||
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| Re: 7 stud blinds, 4 POKER, 22. Oct 2003 22:19 | ||
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| Hi again....... As far as the players not wanting to play stud because of the ante's and bring-ins; it's not so much that the consistency of the blind structure would be lost here, but the pace of seven card stud is much slower than the other three games and the action is not nearly as good for the most part. In hold-em, the game will move quickly no matter what, and the same for Pineapple. In Omaha, although it takes longer to play out the hand.....there still will be action in this game strictly because it's high and low that they'll be shooting for. (know what I mean?). Now how about, making the stud round, stud 8 or better instead of just plain stud?! I personally like 7 card stud alot, but when it's added to a mixed game format, it can become rather dull sometimes to play and that round may become the "boring round" if you know what I mean, especially if noone really wants to play it in the first place except for that one person. I'm not saying to just disregard his wishes, but maybe suggest something a little bit more fun, because in 8 or better stud, you'll get alot more action because players will be shooting for both sides of the pot and they'll stay in longer in the hand due to that factor. (Just a suggestion because I really don't see how adding two bring-ins would change anything anyway. You'd still be eliminating the blind and button consistency, anyway....right?) I guess you'll have to try it and see how everyone feels about it after awhile. Hey, the guy who's interested in playing stud might change his mind too! Especially after he starts to get in the groove of playing the other games. For some reason, when the stud round comes up.....that round tends to come to a hault sometimes. For me, personally.....I like to play stud high all by itself with no other games added because it's such a focus type game. That's when I enjoy it the most. Anyway......let me know how you make out. 4P- | ||
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| Re: 7 stud blinds, gary ford, 22. Oct 2003 22:39 | ||
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| Hi Dave i love stud too but not online its veryyyyy slow and dull. Good fun in B&M though----Gary | ||
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| Re: 7 stud blinds, 4 POKER, 22. Oct 2003 22:49 | ||
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| on 22. Oct 2003 22:39 gary ford wrote: > Hi Dave i love stud too but not online its veryyyyy slow and dull. Good fun in B&M though----Gary I think I played it twice on-line and that was enough for me Gary! Soooo much better live, I agree. Dave | ||
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| Re: 7 stud blinds, timmer, 23. Oct 2003 11:44 | ||
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| the reason the action is usually slower is because the players dont play correctly very often. The other reason is big boards often kill the action. A correctly played stud game with creative participants would have 2 or 3 opponents often playing very aggressivly throughout the hand. the looser structured high and medium games usually have this charactoristic. | ||
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| Re: 7 stud blinds, timmer, 23. Oct 2003 11:29 | ||
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| on 22. Oct 2003 09:08 Joel wrote: > Is there an accepted way to do two blinds and no ante in 7 stud? you could make UTG player ( one to the left of the dealer) ante for every one and fix the position on the first round so he acts last on 3rd street ( his is a live blind). this may result in some very interesting situations when he is also high. But would have a tendancy to kill the 3rd street action But of course you could split the anties 1/2 or 2/3 between the first two players to the dealers left but this exaserbates the previous problem and creates another where the number of players is 7 . I'm not saying it would'nt work or be kinda fun. The most common way is for the dealer to ante for all and the low brings it in for a small precentage of the big bet not less the 2X the per player ante. example 5 cent ante 10 cent bring in $.25- $.50 or $.50 -$1.00 limit | ||
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| Re: 7 stud 345 with blinds, Harold Pierce, Jr., 24. Oct 2003 04:58 | ||
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| There is no easy way to implement a blind structure in a traditional seven card stud. However, there is a way this might be done with seven card stud 345, a variation which I saw in a book by John Scarne. In stud 345 the three hole cards are dealt first and betting is initiated by the player to the left of the dealer. After the end of the opening round of betting, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th streets are dealt with a betting round after each street and with a showdown on 7th street in the usual way. Small and big blinds could be posted by the two players to the left of the dealer. The third player to the left of the dealer would be the first to speak. After the end of opening round betting, the remaining active players would be dealt 4th street, and the game would play out to 7th street in the usual way. If you want to eliminate one round of betting to speed up the game, deal 4th and 5th streets together with a betting roumd after 5th street. Or put another way: each remainig active player after the opening round of betting gets their own two card flop. With this modification you could keep the same blind and betting structures as for Texas Hold'em. You could play this variation high-low which has a potential foraction of 26 % vs Texas Hold'em with a potential for action of only 14.6 %.I highly recommend you use a contract declaration (aka simultaneous declaration). This makes for a very exciting high-low play. The potential for action is the probablity of being dealt a playable hand (i.e., a starting hand recommended by experts) expressed as percentage. If you want a copy of the table detailing the computation of the PFA for Texas Hold'em, send your e-mail address to 74563.30@compuserve.com. MouseEars | ||
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