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 AK and AQs, Table Captain, 22. Oct 2003 00:04 | ||
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| I was hoping to hear some advice on playing AKs and AQs when u miss the flop badly. DEalt AQd in late position, 3 limp to me and i raise button folds, all call. flop is rag-rag-rag ep checks mp checks mp passes out.I bet hoping to lose at least one of these jokers both call. turn is 10 ep leads mp folds i call(if i am in fact behind to a pair i feel both my overcards are clean outs) river is another ten ep leads again and looks very anxious to turn over his hand. I fold after replaying the hand in my head. He checks and calls the flop then leads when the 10 hits, leads again when 10 pairs on the river; its not hard to figure out this type of straightforward play. As i muck my hand he shows 10-2o an collects his chips. Id like to hear an analysis of the hand and also peoples opinion on how to play this type of hand when u miss Table Captain "there are as many sides to a story as there are pairs of eyes to see it." Anonymous | ||
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| Re: AK and AQs, PairTheBoard, 22. Oct 2003 00:57 | ||
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| It all depends on the number of oponents. Heads up, if checked to I'll bet the flop. On the turn I'll look at the board and sometimes bet. My goal is to get to the showdown as cheaply as possible unimproved. I figure a check on the turn invites a bluff on the river which I'll call a good part of the time. Also, my bets on the turn carry more weight if I sometimes check it. If I'm getting bet into or check raised I'll consider the source and possible draws being bet. Some players will habitually attack a raiser when they see no high cards on the board. Against such players I'll hang as tough as I think I need to. Of course, even those players can catch a hand. Against 3 or more opponents, I don't figure on winning many pots unless I improve. If the board looks like maybe everybody missed it I'll bet the flop. Otherwise I'll take a free card. I'll always take a free card on the turn and muck the river unless the better is a compulsive bluffer and everybody else folds. If I get legitimate pressure I will seldom pay a BB for an overcard draw, and often I'll fold on the flop to a bet. Too many people play Ax and may be betting their paired kicker, which makes 3 of my outs dead. Plus they can easily flop two pair and sets. Against 2 players it's a mix of the above treatments according to my feel of the situation. If flush draws come I'll try to draw cheap unless the field thins and it looks like a semibluff has a chance. | ||
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| Re: AK and AQs, shorn, 22. Oct 2003 07:14 | ||
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| It really depends on the number of opponents, where the bet comes from on the flop (if any), and what is the likelihood that if the turn brings one of my outs that it is good. I tend to fold thises hands if the UTG player leads out into more than two opponents because they definitely aren't bluffing. If it gets checked to the player on my right who bets, then often a raise to lose the others is appropriate. And, I think you were right to fire on the flop when it was checked to you. Oncew you are called though, you need to check it down unless you improve, especially at low limits. | ||
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| Re: AK and AQs, PBG, 22. Oct 2003 10:51 | ||
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| I tend to not overvalue my AQs. To me (*foolish or not), there's a huge difference between AK and AQ. Plus they may look pretty, but they're still drawing hands. They will be dominated by a pair of twos if they don't hit. I think that if you're going to try to get aggressive with AK or AQ (suited or not), you're going to be better off doing it in no limit than in limit. I have no doubt that an opponent who holds onto 10-2 all the way to the river probably is a big Doyle Brunson fan and the limit structure allowed him to cheaply see cards. You needed at least ONE more aggressive player at the table to kick that guy off his cards. I don't think MOST people would call a 3 bet pre-flop with 10-2. Gotta read the table's texture, honey. If you're stuck with a bunch of calling stations at a table, you CANNOT expect AK, AQ, suited or not to dominate. | ||
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