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 a knife in my guts.., Table Captain, 21. Oct 2003 01:23 | ||
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| 20 - 40 HE live. Good table with a couple strong players and a couple live ones. In the small blind im dealt KK everyone folds to the button and he makes an obvious steal raise. I reraise and he calls, players had been trying to push me around as i am only 20 yrs old. Flop comes down 4-7-9 all diamonds. I have the king diamond and an overpair i bet out and button raises, i reraise to find out where hes really at, he just calls. Turn is Ks i bet again hoping to get 3 bets in and just get called. River is 6s , i feel like the card hurt me but i bet anyway because scared money dont make money, and i feel like i still have the best hand. i get raised and button turns over 5c8h for the straight . I disgustedly muck my cards without showing anyone. AS the player rakes in my pot he mutters something to his buddy along the lines of "see how he easy young players are to push around". I smile at him and look down to find 10sJs,4 players limp to me and i raise to narrow the field, get reraised by MP, lose one caller, 3 see the flop of 8-9-Q rainbow. EP bets preflop raiser makes it 2 bets i gladly make it 3 bets(hoping Mp has QQ) and both call. Turn is 10d and when EP bets and Mp raises again I 3 bet again thinking that someone caught gutshot with something like AJ and tied me. I also hope to trap the other player in for extra bets we can split. Ep caps it and i call (im actually behind now i think to myself). River is 5s EP bets and i call. he shows KJ for the nut straight. What can i do about this i play 20-40 all the time and make a decent amount of money but hands like these where people hit B.S draws on me because; A) they are in the process of trying to run over me, or B) they have absolutely no respect for my game, are costing me a lot of extra bets. I am hoping one of the pros here could give some advice on playing young and how to use my table image as a young player to my advantage. Table Captain | ||
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| Re: a knife in my guts.., 4 POKER, 21. Oct 2003 01:49 | ||
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| Hi Table Captain, I think the best image that you could possibly give yourself would be to play a tighter, and more solid form of poker. (sounds like a boring image right?) But 'that' is what gets you the money, and if players are perceiving you as being a poor player due to your young age....then so be it, and look out!! When players are seemingly running you down and you feel that it's because of your young age, thus having no respect for game...perhaps it's caused by their own lack of skill and awareness, and it also can be contributed to how they are perceiving you as a player, and not a young player.....a player overall. (and It also sounds to me that when you heard that guy tell his buddy how "easy it was to push you around", that right after that comment you went on a raising frenzy!) You can not let your emotions interfere with your thought process because you're always going to need to make level-headed/optimal decisions. Young players may get picked on at the table if some of the players in the game are ignorant to the fact that a young player can also be a good player; and the best way to shut them up (quietly of course...is to take their money, but to do it the right way by making good decisions, and not by making a steam raise). and if it wasn't a raise out of frustration, then perhaps you are trying to get a little too "fancy" with some of your hands; I don't know, I'm just going by what I feel from this post, and from the post prior to this one, that I replied to. (so forgive me If I'm off with my assumptions). And It's okay to give the appearance and the illusion that you're a loose and crazy type, but if you are playing in that manner too many times, not only will you get run down alot, (because you may be entering more pots)....you'll wind up losing money in the long run. You say that you make money in the game, and that's great, but in my honest opinion, I think you'll make more money if you tighten up a bit. I'm not saying that the 'occasional' raise with J-10 suited (when out of position) should never be used.....I just think that you may need to make some (minor) adjustments pre-flop, perhaps(?) The best way for you to make money, is to play solid on every street, so then, you can forget about the table image that you're striving to achieve. Table image is what you let it become. Solid poker is numero uno! 4P- | ||
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| Re: a knife in my guts.., Table Captain, 21. Oct 2003 11:18 | ||
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| 4 poker, thank you for your reply. However i do not feel 10J suited is a steam raise when i am on the button. And i proceed to flop the nut straight which is counterfeited on the turn. I didnt go on a "raising frenzy", i simply was trying to get the most value when i have the best hand. | ||
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| Re: a knife in my guts.., 4 POKER, 21. Oct 2003 11:29 | ||
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| on 21. Oct 2003 11:18 Table Captain wrote: > 4 poker, thank you for your reply. However i do not feel 10J suited is a steam raise when > i am on the button. And i proceed to flop the nut straight which is counterfeited on the > turn. I didnt go on a "raising frenzy", i simply was trying to get the most value when i > have the best hand. Hey, sorry 'bout that. (just re-read your original post).....I thought you were in the BB when you had the K-K, which would leave you in the SB (on the very next hand) with the J-10. So my assumptions of your play were off; I thought that you were trying to get too fancy; and yeah, it was a tough hand to lose after flopping the nuts; better luck to you and hang in there. 4P- | ||
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| Re: a knife in my guts.., PairTheBoard, 21. Oct 2003 02:17 | ||
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| People are prejudiced. The cards are not. Show them winners and take enough of their money, your table image will take care of itself. If I could get in those exact same situations - prior to the suckouts - a couple of hundred times a session I don't think my table image or bankroll would suffer at all. gl | ||
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| Re: a knife in my guts.., Table Captain, 21. Oct 2003 11:21 | ||
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| I guess the huge suckouts are the reason why it is so frustrating, i dont mind being outplayed,thats part of the game; Those situations are the ones where i make most of my money. Id be interested in the odds of him hitting turn and river to beat my set. | ||
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| Re: a knife in my guts.., noiseboy, 21. Oct 2003 10:24 | ||
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| Let them think you suck. In the long run, if they try to beat up on you when they are drawing thin, you will make a ton of money. Don't let their needling get to you, that's what people do who can't win on skill alone. It's an angle really, they try to win by being mean and putting you on tilt. Being utterly dispassionate will usually get them to stop, once they realize it doesn't work on you, they won't waste the energy. People who tilt easily tend to attract this type of behavior. | ||
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| Re: a knife in my guts.., noiseboy, 21. Oct 2003 10:35 | ||
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| Also, just be glad you weren't playing NL. I had two hands this weekend that put a sizable dent in my online bankroll. One hand I had pocket KK's and this guy calls my preflop raise with KJ, the flop comes with a J as the highest card, I go all in and he CALLS! Runner Runner catches me. Another hand, I have the pocket JJs, once again someone calls me with KJ, I flop a set of J's and he flops two pair, so he's basically dead to the K, and of course I put him all-in and he catches a higher full house than me on the river. OK, maybe I should have posted this in the bad beats section. Anyway, at least the beats in limit poker are less money, although the converse is that maybe you'd be able to protect your hand if you could bet more. | ||
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