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 Hand help, Blade, 20. Oct 2003 20:11 | ||
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| I am playing 2-4 semi loose very passive table. Im dealt 910o from the BB 4 callers I check Flop comes 963 rainbow I bet out get 3 callers Turn is an A, I check. All the players are the type to stay in with any A Its checks all the way. River is a a 7 I check very loose passive player bets. next two fold, I call he has 76 for two pair. I think I played this poorly. Comments? | ||
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| Re: Hand help, 4 POKER, 20. Oct 2003 20:39 | ||
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| Hi, Although I'm not crazy about your kicker after flopping top pair....if you were going to call a single bet, then betting it for yourself has some merit to it as well. One, it can cause a player to fold, and Two, by leading at, you could possibly now, get the information that you need as to whether your top pair is strong enough to continue, ie; if it comes back to you at 3 bets, you could fold and be done with it. *Although sometimes, when I have a holding like that, and my kicker is weak, I will check it to see what kind of action takes place*. The other drawback that I see with your hand is, if you happen to make two pair on the turn, the 10 does complete the straight. The turn: The Ace. A very bad card for you indeed, and a good check by you as well. *(more about this card in a minute)**. The river call: If the player was in the last position who made the bet after everyone else had checked it....then there could be that chance that he's trying to buy the pot. But because the player that did lead out at the river was in an EP, would lead me to believe that he held a pretty good hand, and one that had me beat for sure. The table was semi-loose, but it was also very passive, and when a passive type of player bets in that spot.....It's a tough call. **Keep in mind what card came up on the turn (The Ace), because in very passive type games, those players 'will' check it, even if they hit their best card, and perhaps they'll wait for the river to make a move**. ( I'm aware that this was not the case in this hand, but it's just something to think about). 4P- | ||
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| Re: Hand help, Schuster, 20. Oct 2003 21:40 | ||
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| Tough hand, and it depends on your opponents! I've found that at the 2/4 level, a lot of players will make a position bet if checked to, regardless of their holding and they number of players in the pot. It is also possible that someone limped with a hand that has top pair, bigger kicker. I think the best way on this flop is to check and see how the action develops. If the puck bets, you can checkraise and get people out. If the next player bets, you can probably figure that he has you outkicked, and let go of your hand. After you bet the flop and just get called, I don't think you played the hand poorly, but your flop play leaves you with inadequate information about your opponents hand, and thus you don't know how to play on the river. Either a check-raise or a check-fold, depending on the action, would probably be best. Lee | ||
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| Re: Hand help, 4 POKER, 20. Oct 2003 23:40 | ||
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| Lee, You brought up a very good point about the flop bet. (because noone ever raised him there), you stated: "he was left with inadequate information, thus he doesn't know how to play it on the river". I agree with you completely on this and in these types of situations with questionable flops, a good choice would be to check-fold, or check-raise. In my reply, my first thoughts were, that leading at the flop does have merit, and although it 'can'.... now that I have thought about it some more, (and your post got me to thinking a bit).....in this particular situation against this field....I think I would be more inclined to check the flop, with the intentions of folding 'unless' there was just one bettor and everyone folded behind him. (then I would 'probably' make the call and perhaps even check-raise it. Depends on the player etc., etc.). Dave ya never stop learning. (thanks for your input Lee :) | ||
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| Re: Hand help, Formless, 20. Oct 2003 21:54 | ||
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| Checkraise the flop. | ||
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| Re: Hand help, ReMMy, 20. Oct 2003 22:31 | ||
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| I agree w/ Formless that a check w/ the intention of raising is your best bet. I hate leading out w/ a hand like that. The 963 rainbow causes all the little fishies to draw on their overcards. That means any A K Q or J is going to leave you vulnerable. Any 10 will improve your hand, but opens up straight possibilities. Any 6 or 3 could put you up against trips. Any 2, 4, 5, 7, 8 are probably good cards for you, but also open up straight possiblities. The 9's of course would be awesome. Lets not forget someone might already have you beat w/ 2 pair or a better kicker... It's low limit, and these guys simply don't fold on flops like that. However since there was no raise before the flop, if you do get in a checkraise it means that you will be giving them incorrect odds to draw to their limited # of outs. They'll probably still call, but its much more of a mistake...If you end up giving a free card, so be it... | ||
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