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 In Progress--Strategy for Online SNGs, Bart Mann, 20. Oct 2003 10:37 | ||
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| I've been playing quite a few online SNG tournaments lately (about 3 or so a night), and have been slowly but surely crafting a strategy that seems to be working for me. At the risk of giving up my playbook, I'd like to post it to all of you for comments. The strategy is certainly not complex, and is based more on "survival" than it is on running over people early. In the early rounds, I'm extremely conservative about what I enter the game with--two big hole cards (between A and 10), pairs down to 66 and suited connectors no smaller than 910 are just about all I'll play right away. I stay away from Ax, Kx, small suited connectors and I'll only call one bet with these hands--and call no raises unless I have AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQ or AJs A10s. Even if I have what I consider to be a strong starting hand (QQ) I will throw it away if two or more people in the pot get into a preflop bidding war. More often than not, by the end of a hand like this someone will go all in, and there will be at least one less player at the table (sometimes two!)--and less players means I'm closer to the money. I also never try to steal a pot at this stage, because inevitably someone will call you. Once the number of players is cut in half, I change gears significantly. I start playing suited connectors down to 34, all pairs, and Ax Kx in most cases. At this point I can be anywhere from middle chip position to the chip leader, if I hit a couple of flops with my premium hands. But the point is, I'm not anywhere near the short stack. In fact, it is not uncommon for me to have knocked out 2 or 3 of the missing players, because I'm only moving all in when I'm a heavy favorite to win--or calling an all-in bet when I have the nuts. Once we're down to 1/2 of the original players, I put it into Doyle Brunson mode--controlled aggression--more liberally using the All-In bet early, buying people off of questionable hands and paying to see more flops. Admittedly, this is the very short term, but it seems to be working for me thus far. Anyone care to comment? | ||
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| Re: In Progress--Strategy for Online SNGs, gary ford, 20. Oct 2003 10:41 | ||
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| on 20. Oct 2003 10:37 Bart Mann wrote: > I've been playing quite a few online SNG tournaments lately (about 3 or so a > night), and have been slowly but surely crafting a strategy that seems to be > working for me. At the risk of giving up my playbook, I'd like to post it to > all of you for comments. > > The strategy is certainly not complex, and is based more on "survival" than it > is on running over people early. In the early rounds, I'm extremely > conservative about what I enter the game with--two big hole cards (between A and > 10), pairs down to 66 and suited connectors no smaller than 910 are just about > all I'll play right away. I stay away from Ax, Kx, small suited connectors and > I'll only call one bet with these hands--and call no raises unless I have AA, > KK, QQ, AK, AQ or AJs A10s. Even if I have what I consider to be a strong > starting hand (QQ) I will throw it away if two or more people in the pot get > into a preflop bidding war. More often than not, by the end of a hand like this > someone will go all in, and there will be at least one less player at the table > (sometimes two!)--and less players means I'm closer to the money. I also never > try to steal a pot at this stage, because inevitably someone will call you. > > Once the number of players is cut in half, I change gears significantly. I > start playing suited connectors down to 34, all pairs, and Ax Kx in most cases. > At this point I can be anywhere from middle chip position to the chip leader, if > I hit a couple of flops with my premium hands. But the point is, I'm not > anywhere near the short stack. In fact, it is not uncommon for me to have > knocked out 2 or 3 of the missing players, because I'm only moving all in when > I'm a heavy favorite to win--or calling an all-in bet when I have the nuts. > Once we're down to 1/2 of the original players, I put it into Doyle Brunson > mode--controlled aggression--more liberally using the All-In bet early, buying > people off of questionable hands and paying to see more flops. Admittedly, this > is the very short term, but it seems to be working for me thus far. > > Anyone care to comment? | ||
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| Re: In Progress--Strategy for Online SNGs, gary ford, 20. Oct 2003 10:48 | ||
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| on 20. Oct 2003 10:37 Bart Mann wrote: > I've been playing quite a few online SNG tournaments lately (about 3 or so a > night), and have been slowly but surely crafting a strategy that seems to be > working for me. At the risk of giving up my playbook, I'd like to post it to > all of you for comments. > > The strategy is certainly not complex, and is based more on "survival" than it > is on running over people early. In the early rounds, I'm extremely > conservative about what I enter the game with--two big hole cards (between A and > 10), pairs down to 66 and suited connectors no smaller than 910 are just about > all I'll play right away. I stay away from Ax, Kx, small suited connectors and > I'll only call one bet with these hands--and call no raises unless I have AA, > KK, QQ, AK, AQ or AJs A10s. Even if I have what I consider to be a strong > starting hand (QQ) I will throw it away if two or more people in the pot get > into a preflop bidding war. More often than not, by the end of a hand like this > someone will go all in, and there will be at least one less player at the table > (sometimes two!)--and less players means I'm closer to the money. I also never > try to steal a pot at this stage, because inevitably someone will call you. > > Once the number of players is cut in half, I change gears significantly. I > start playing suited connectors down to 34, all pairs, and Ax Kx in most cases. > At this point I can be anywhere from middle chip position to the chip leader, if > I hit a couple of flops with my premium hands. But the point is, I'm not > anywhere near the short stack. In fact, it is not uncommon for me to have > knocked out 2 or 3 of the missing players, because I'm only moving all in when > I'm a heavy favorite to win--or calling an all-in bet when I have the nuts. > Once we're down to 1/2 of the original players, I put it into Doyle Brunson > mode--controlled aggression--more liberally using the All-In bet early, buying > people off of questionable hands and paying to see more flops. Admittedly, this > is the very short term, but it seems to be working for me thus far At best, sngs as currently played are mostly a crap shoot. Usually 3 stages.3 rounds of gunslingers in tetosterone wars. By the time it gets to 50/100 it will be down by 3 to 5 players. Unless you have won a big one in prior rounds, you'll be in 4th or 5th. Continue to play quality hands--survival is key--the money starts at 3rd. Drawing hands are death-- any ace and sometimes any K are playable--when you get in the money, switch gears--become very aggressive--youre on a freeroll. > > | ||
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| Re: In Progress--Strategy for Online SNGs, mroban, 20. Oct 2003 11:10 | ||
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| Bart: I like a lot of what you are saying but I don't typically call raises with AJs or ATs early on. Those are basically drawing hands and unless there is a good sized pot that I can win with a cheap investment, its not worth it. The chancing of flopping a flush are minimal and AT and AJ is often a big underdog against a preflop raise from a decent player who will usually be holding a pair 99 or better or AK or AQ. AT and AJ can play okay against TT or 99 but is death against AK and AJ and if an A doesnt hit the flop where are you? A couple hundred less in chips for sure. If an A does hit you have a decision to make as well if your opponent bets into you. In short, I hate those hands in NL. Shorthanded obviously they are very playable hands but not in EP or MP in a big ring (IMH non-expert O). I play tight early, looking for a spot here or there to pick up a pot without playing anything resembling a coinflip hand. Its easy to trap with KK or AA if you get such a hand early. Also AK is a good trap hand if you hit an A on the flop b/c so many players will play Ax. In the final three I play superaggressive for all the reasons Gary said. Heads up, I raise preflop about 75% of the time and if I hit a flop will put my opponent all in. Backfires often but it works often enough to be profitable. | ||
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| Re: In Progress--Strategy for Online SNGs, FlopDaNutz, 21. Oct 2003 13:31 | ||
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| I strongly agree with Mroban | ||
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| Re: In Progress--Strategy for Online SNGs, chasepoker, 21. Oct 2003 18:26 | ||
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| Pretty sound strategy but you still have to adapt to your players. If it seems like everyone else is playing the same strategy you have to change a little bit ( betting late positions with average holdings and all the other basic stuff you have to do when everyone else is playing tight - think gap concept ). More likely as you say people will be playing too loose, too early and you can open up your starting requirements a little , whilst still remaining tight, as you will typically be up against inferior hands by others ( eg the QQ in your example you can see a flop for a raise of about 10-15% of your stack and if you like the flop keep playing ). I myself have done quite well at S and G 's in the past year and would say that the tight early / loose late tactic is essentially sound, but just remember that if someone gives you the chance to double up early you still should take it even if it does not assure you any sort of payout. Just some thoughts. Chasepoker | ||
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