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 Help: AQh fold or call, epper, 20. Oct 2003 08:12 | ||
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| 100 + 9 hold em tourney on Poker Stars. 170 start and we are down to 32. 18 get paid. I have about $3000, blinds are 200/400 w/ 25 ante. Late position -- AQh. I make it 800 to go (wanted to go 1000, but computer forced me to choose b/t 800 or 1200). Button, who had gone all-in a bunch of times) w/ good, not great hands, goes all-in. Folds to me -- it will cost me another 1400 to call, which leaves me with 1000. I ponder for a while, and I do not think that he is QQ, KK, or AA. I am not sure whether he has a pair, but if he does, I am pretty sure that it below my Q. My intuition says call, but I do not want to lose the lion's share of stack on a drawing hand. TJ says go with intuition, but also says do not risk your stack on draws or big slick. I love his advice, but did not know what to do. Help and thanx. | ||
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| Re: Help: AQh fold or call, shorn, 20. Oct 2003 09:32 | ||
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| I think you have to call here. If you fold, it only leaves you with around $1000 or the equivalent of 1 lap includingl blinds and ante's. And, even if you double up 1000, that doesn't help you too much. The chances that you will get a better hand than AQs are small in 10 hands. I would let it ride on this coin flip hand where you can go in as a slight underdog (unless he has AK). | ||
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| Re: Help: AQh fold or call, chasepoker, 20. Oct 2003 12:27 | ||
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| I think whether to call or not is down to you ( i think in this situation i would fold as you still have T2200 left ). Better still i think is dont get in the situation in the first place if you are willing to go all in with it ( by calling ) you might as well have bet it all in to begin with. I believe i would have bet all in to start with ( pot at around T800 ). But as i am typing this i am having second thoughts...oops too late i posted it now i would have bet all in to start with ! Chasepoker | ||
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| Re: Help: AQh fold or call, Schuster, 20. Oct 2003 13:14 | ||
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| I think you need to raise more here. Your minimum raise is weak and now you don't know if he's raising with something premium or if he's putting a play on you. If you make it 1200 to go, he's much less likely to come over top of you unless he really has something, as you've already commited over half his stack. You risk more of your stack, but in a no limit tournament, you can't be afraid to die. That said, your situation is pretty dicey. If you saw him raising with less than premium hands, maybe you should gamble, but I think that's exactly what you're doing here. You're probably a slight dog over the range of hands he could hold, but you're getting good odds on the call. I'd be pretty hesitant to call here, but I think I would do it anyway. Lee | ||
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| Re: Help: AQh fold or call, shorn, 20. Oct 2003 13:45 | ||
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| Lee- I agree with all you have said here, especially the part about raising more. But, if he folds the hand, doubling up won't really be of help to him at T2200 left aftewards. Add to that the fact that he will T1450 over the next 8 hands due to blinds/ante's and I think this is a no brainer call. Time to make a stand with such a short stack. Steve | ||
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| Re: Help: AQh fold or call, epper, 20. Oct 2003 15:56 | ||
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| I agree with you guys on the low raise. I wanted to raise a 1000, which would have been slightly more than the pot and what Cloutier says to do. However, I had the option of 800 or 1200. That late in the tourney and with guys trying to add to their stax, I should have done 1200. With that much committed, I think that I show that I am COMMITTED to going the entire way. Given that the loss put me into a small stack position (the next blind put be below 2K) and that I thought the guy was trying to buy, I am mad at myself. Played it a little weak tight with the raise and got myself handcuffed. At that point in the tourney, a win there would have been huge -- over 5K (great chance to really move). Could easily handle blinds, etc., and not be bullied. Do we agree that I made a mistake in folding?? Earlier in the tourney , it is a definite fold, but here, I should have called. Inexperience?? | ||
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| Re: Help: AQh fold or call, Schuster, 20. Oct 2003 16:43 | ||
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| 1200 is a less than a pot sized raise, I think you're calculating the raise wrong. There's 200 + 400 + 10*25 = 850 in the pot. If you add your 400 call, then there's 1250 in there, so you need to raise 1250 on top of your 400 for a pot sized bet, or 1650. Steve, you're probably right. I guess he really does have to call at this point. I didn't realize folding would leave him so short, not sure why. I still wouldn't feel great about putting all the chips in, but you gotta do what you gotta do. Lee | ||
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| Re: Help: AQh fold or call, epper, 20. Oct 2003 19:35 | ||
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| In reading TJ's and McEvoy's book, I could not tell if TJ meant that your call was part of the pot. If so, my 400 + 600 + (8*25) = 1200. So, i guess you are saying that i should raise it to the size of the pot including my call?? Alt, McEvoy says 3-5 bb, which would have been 1200. I raised too little and hurt myself. Not happy about it and should have called -- my gut says that he did not have it. I folded b/c I was uncomfortable calling most of my stack w/ AQ, but at that point in the tourney, need to take a shot. Thanx. | ||
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| Re: Help: AQh fold or call, noiseboy, 23. Oct 2003 22:41 | ||
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| you are pretty short, I say just go all-in with the AQs to begin with. Chances are the hands you are truly afraid of aren't out there, and people might fold the small and medium pairs to an all-in bet. You really don't mind if everyone folds, but if someone comes in, you want to see all five cards and not get blown off the flop if you only pick up a draw. The way you played it, I think you have to go through with it. You have pot odds if you can get it heads up with a small pair. | ||
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