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 How to play a pair on the flop?, Dr_Monkey, 17. Oct 2003 09:54 | ||
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| I got stuck twice in a recent session on Paradise playing $50 NL. First time, I am BB with Q7o. MP limps. All fold. We are heads up. Flop: 9 Q 9 I have top 2 pair. QQ 99 How much discomfort should the 9 9 give me? I bet out thinking he will fold. $2 I think. He calls. I over looked the fact that he could have a 9. He had 97s. I bet the turn thinking I was going to get paid. He called. I checked the river thinking he would check. He bet, I called, I lost. Is it smart to bet the turn? Should I bet the river? Not sure if I could have avoided this. The other hand, I am UTG with 88. I raised hoping to clear field. They were pretty tight at this point. All fold, SB pauses then calls. BB folds. We are heads up. Flop: Q Q 7 I have two pair again. QQ 88. I bet $2 after he checks. He calls. Turn: [Q Q J] 5. Thinking I am good again, I bet $3. He calls. River" [Q Q J 5] Q. Nice I have a boat. He comes out betting. $5. Is this a steal or should I bet worried. I call. He flips over a Q 10 for quads. Am I not fearing the pair on the board enough? Should I bet the flop and shut down if I get callers? | ||
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| Re: How to play a pair on the flop?, shorn, 17. Oct 2003 10:56 | ||
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| The key to these games is to show aggression (by betting the pot on the flop) and then if you are called, shutting down unless you improve. On both of these hands your holding was marginal, so in effect you are making a semibluff pot sized bet. Whenever that type of bet is just called, you most often are against someone slowplaying a hand bigger than yours and therefore you should be reluctant to commit too much more $$ to the pot. Also, your bets seem to be relatively small compared to the size of the pots. Don't do this when you have a decent hand. You never want to give good odds for players to draw to their hand if they indeed are drawing. I always bet the size of the pot or close to it when i think my hand is good. | ||
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| Re: How to play a pair on the flop?, Dr_Monkey, 17. Oct 2003 12:00 | ||
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| When you are shutting down, are you folding to any bets? A good practice? on 17. Oct 2003 10:56 shorn wrote: > The key to these games is to show aggression (by betting the pot on the flop) and > then if you are called, shutting down unless you improve. On both of these hands > your holding was marginal, so in effect you are making a semibluff pot sized bet. > Whenever that type of bet is just called, you most often are against someone > slowplaying a hand bigger than yours and therefore you should be reluctant to commit > too much more $$ to the pot. > > Also, your bets seem to be relatively small compared to the size of the pots. Don't > do this when you have a decent hand. You never want to give good odds for players to > draw to their hand if they indeed are drawing. I always bet the size of the pot or > close to it when i think my hand is good. | ||
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| Re: How to play a pair on the flop?, shorn, 17. Oct 2003 12:16 | ||
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| That really depends on the opponent, but a lot of times yes. Since any betting round puts your entire stack at risk, NL is a trap game where you should wait for nut hands and then bury people. Especially online, there are so many players (even at the $100 tables) who will call off all of their chips with a hopeless second best hand (like a small flush with 4 flush cards on the board). As I posted in another thread, the best strategy is to limp with hands that can turn into monsters and when you miss, fold a lot. Don't worry...when your middle pair flops a set, you will have plenty of company and take down a huge pot or two. | ||
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| Re: How to play a pair on the flop?, noiseboy, 17. Oct 2003 11:14 | ||
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| In those instances, I wouldn't really consider you as having top two pair, since everyone else has one of the pairs (the one on the board) as well. Having top two is when you have JT and the flop comes JTx. Anyway, shorthanded, you can be aggressive in those situations, but once someone comes back at you, you might have to drop because they could have trips. It's really tough to play with a pair on the board and a lot is just your own judgement as to where the other player is. If it's multi-way, be VERY careful. | ||
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