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 Dangerous flops, jackeboy, 16. Oct 2003 07:49 | ||
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| I'm having trouble in the micro-limit games online and haemorrhaging cash. I find it hard to put people on hands because they're so inconsistent. I know that people are more likely to play junk at these limits but overcards really seem to get me into trouble on rag flops. Example: Last night .25/.50 NLHE 5-seater table. I'm on SB with QKs and raise $1. BB and button both call. Flop is 444 (okay - maybe stretching the term 'rag flop' a bit) It checks around. Turn is 7c. Button bets $1 but I know he tries to steal with this size of bet after a checked round and a scary flop. I figure I have six chances to hit a full house with an OK kicker. I call. BB calls. River is a Q. Great. Button checks. I bet $3. BB calls. Button folds. BB turns over A4 for the win. Poker 4's and no raise - I couldn't believe it. The next hand we play together I catch the nut flush on the turn and he calls my $5. The river pairs the board. I check and he goes all-in. I fold. OK - I guess what I'm asking is, what's the best strategy for playing marginal hands against someone who is inconsistent (either because they are really good or really bad) or impossible to read. I would also appreciate any thoughts on playing flops like 444 with overcards but no pp or A. (I'm guessing it's - don't) | ||
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| Re: Dangerous flops, Eman, 16. Oct 2003 07:53 | ||
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| I would have checked the flop too if i held A4 and the board showed 444. By the way, pocket 4's means he has two fours as his hole cards. He waited till one of you made a boat and hammered you...good play on his part. | ||
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| Re: Dangerous flops, jackeboy, 16. Oct 2003 08:04 | ||
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| Oops - sorry for the typo. My point wasn't that he slow-played the 4's. I doubt there's anyone that wouldn't - the point was that he didn't raise me on the river with the nuts and then made an all-in bet with a lesser hand. evolution, not revolution - i want to evolve, not revolve Jack | ||
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| Re: Dangerous flops, Eman, 16. Oct 2003 07:57 | ||
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| another thing. did you check to him when the queen hit. Or did you bet and he raised you $3?. | ||
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| Re: Dangerous flops, jackeboy, 16. Oct 2003 08:09 | ||
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| Messed up the order. I bet $3 on the river, he called with the four 4's and the button folded. evolution, not revolution - i want to evolve, not revolve Jack | ||
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| why he didnt raise quad 4s..., Andrew W, 17. Oct 2003 22:05 | ||
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| I'm a newbie, but I offer this thought to see if I am close to understanding a theory point..... somewhere in Sklansky, I remember something about making a decision not to raise the nuts on the end for a good reason. Here's the possibility in the quad holder's mind. You've bet it, he calls or raises, then there's one more to act. If he raises, the button will most likely fold, figuring one of you is telling the truth. If he calls, button may also call - one more bet in the pot. If he raises, button folds, and then you may fold, since you don't have that 4. So, he may have figured a smooth call as the best bet here. Or he may be stupid, who knows? But as I read the "book", I think that may be one possibility, if he put that much thought in it. | ||
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| Re: why he didnt raise quad 4s..., Swagman, 18. Oct 2003 04:17 | ||
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| Choosing not to raise on the nuts is situational. Sometimes if the field is large by the river it is better just to cold call. This is especially true if the pot is small as as one might expect because the board is paired to make the quads. However if the pot is large you might be more inclined to raise, becuase people may stay in the pot because of its size. This is not just the case with quads, but with any hand you think is the best. Just consider if raising will make money or lose it. | ||
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| Re: Dangerous flops, shorn, 16. Oct 2003 07:59 | ||
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| The first thing I would point out is the the .25/.50 NL games are NOT micro limit as your entire stack is at risk with every hand you play. This requires a much different strategy than actual micro limit games. My advice in these games is that if the game is passive (not a lot of preflop raising), limp with a lot of hands that can turn into monsters. And, when the flop misses you (like the 444), fold often or put in a pot sized bet to represent a big hand (pokcet pair higher than 8 for that flop). If you are called after this, then shut down. I have found that the key to the NL games online (no matter your opponents) is to wait until those 1 or 2 big hands come up where you flop a huge hand. Then bet the hell out of it because a lot of players will call with second best hands for all of their chips. Give yourself an opportunity to flop big hands pre-flop (suited aces, all pairs, 1 and two gappers), and then wait. If someone shows aggression after you have simply called, muck. i hope this helps. Steve | ||
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| Re: Dangerous flops, jackeboy, 16. Oct 2003 08:14 | ||
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| Thanks for the advice Shorn. | ||
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| Re: Dangerous flops, 4 POKER, 16. Oct 2003 08:18 | ||
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| Very good post, indeed. 4P- on 16. Oct 2003 07:59 shorn wrote: > The first thing I would point out is the the .25/.50 NL games are NOT micro limit as > your entire stack is at risk with every hand you play. This requires a much > different strategy than actual micro limit games. > > My advice in these games is that if the game is passive (not a lot of preflop > raising), limp with a lot of hands that can turn into monsters. And, when the flop > misses you (like the 444), fold often or put in a pot sized bet to represent a big > hand (pokcet pair higher than 8 for that flop). If you are called after this, then > shut down. > > I have found that the key to the NL games online (no matter your opponents) is to > wait until those 1 or 2 big hands come up where you flop a huge hand. Then bet the > hell out of it because a lot of players will call with second best hands for all of > their chips. Give yourself an opportunity to flop big hands pre-flop (suited aces, > all pairs, 1 and two gappers), and then wait. If someone shows aggression after you > have simply called, muck. > > i hope this helps. > > Steve | ||
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