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 An illustration of why slow play is often bad, noiseboy, 15. Oct 2003 19:25 | ||
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| Here's a hand I played recently where I'm on an overpair when somebody else flopped a set. He ended up winning a large pot, but as you'll see, the slow play of the set could have very easily cost them the entire pot. In addition, if they had raised me earlier, I probably would have come back at them and they would have still won a decent pot. The check raise of the turn when the third club fell is nothing short of horrendous. Anyway, here it is. I wonder what you guys think about me calling the raise on the turn with the four flush, should I have just got outta there? I can't really be sure that the J-high flush would be good even if I hit it, but for some reason, I thought it would be good. Thanks! Hand #526459-365 at AnnieDuke ($4/$8 Hold'em) Powered by UltimateBet Started at 15/Oct/03 22:07:57 TrumpchumP is at seat 0 with $350. Johnny 53 is at seat 1 with $237.50. Poket Aces is at seat 2 with $331. Jordalex is at seat 3 with $24. gohornsgo is at seat 4 with $525. Major is at seat 5 with $501.50. The Vegan is at seat 6 with $172. noiseboy is at seat 7 with $269.50. donna 66 is at seat 8 with $389. killercat is at seat 9 with $112.50. The button is at seat 0. Johnny 53 posts the small blind of $1. Poket Aces posts the big blind of $2. TrumpchumP: -- -- Johnny 53: -- -- Poket Aces: -- -- Jordalex: -- -- gohornsgo: -- -- Major: -- -- The Vegan: -- -- noiseboy: Jc Jd donna 66: -- -- killercat: -- -- Pre-flop: Jordalex calls. gohornsgo folds. Major folds. The Vegan folds. noiseboy raises to $6. donna 66 folds. killercat calls. TrumpchumP calls. Johnny 53 folds. Poket Aces calls. Jordalex calls. Flop (board: 6d 7c 4c): Poket Aces checks. Jordalex checks. noiseboy bets $4. killercat calls. TrumpchumP calls. Poket Aces folds. Jordalex calls. Turn (board: 6d 7c 4c Tc): Jordalex checks. noiseboy bets $8. killercat calls. TrumpchumP raises to $16. Jordalex goes all-in for $14. noiseboy calls. killercat calls. River (board: 6d 7c 4c Tc 8s): noiseboy checks. killercat checks. TrumpchumP bets $8. noiseboy folds. killercat calls. Showdown: TrumpchumP shows 6s 6h. TrumpchumP has 6s 6h 6d Tc 8s: three sixes. Jordalex shows Ad 8h. Jordalex has Ad 8h 7c Tc 8s: a pair of eights. killercat mucks cards. (killercat has Ts As.) Hand #526459-365 Summary: $3 is raked from a total pot of $125. $3 is raked from the main pot of $103. $0 is raked from side pot #1 of $22. TrumpchumP wins the main pot $100 with three sixes. TrumpchumP wins the side pot $22 with three sixes. ---------------------------------------------------------------- | ||
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| Re: An illustration of why slow play is often bad, shorn, 16. Oct 2003 05:56 | ||
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| One of the conditions for slowplaying that set isn't met...that the next card will make a likely second-best hand. No friggin way I slowplay 66 in that flop. I doubt I would even checkraise it for fear that no one would bet their draw for me. As far as your call on the turn, I think it was OK simply because one of your opponents was all-in so the likelihood of his 3-betting was nil. Good fold on the river BTW. | ||
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| Re: An illustration of why slow play is often bad, noiseboy, 16. Oct 2003 09:36 | ||
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| Thanks, I knew the JJ's were no good on the turn, but figured the other player might be on a small flush, and that a fourth club might take it down for me. I was rather surprised to see the that neither player had a club! | ||
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| Re: An illustration of why slow play is often bad, iceman5, 16. Oct 2003 13:12 | ||
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| My question is..what is the dude with the A8 doing hanging around? They do that in $5/$10? | ||
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| Re: An illustration of why slow play is often bad, iceman5, 16. Oct 2003 13:13 | ||
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| Sorry, I see its $4/$8...but still..thats a joke! | ||
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| Re: An illustration of why slow play is often bad, noiseboy, 16. Oct 2003 15:53 | ||
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| I've seen equally weird plays and even much weirder plays than that at 10-20 and 15-30 tables. The average skill of players is higher at higher limits, but there are still gamblers at every level. Higher levels, even the bad players tend to be much more aggressive, so you have to have bankroll to weather the storm. | ||
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| Re: An illustration of why slow play is often bad, noiseboy, 16. Oct 2003 16:07 | ||
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| Here's a joke for you, There was this one guy at a B&M 6/12 table, recently who tried a stone cold bluff with heavy action all the way to the river. I had pocket AA's and there was so much action coming my way from him, I just check/called the river fully expecting him to show me a set. I was 99% sure I was beat, I think the flop and turn were capped, but the pot was so big that I decided there was no folding at this point, he could have KK's right? Anyway, he showed down A3 suited. He had totally missed the flop other than having one overcard which wasn't even good, and kept coming at me all the way. I can't really remember the specifics of the flop and turn, I just remember that he had basically nothing the whole way, there might have been one of his suit so he at least could backdoor me. The ultimate beauty of having him in the hand is that he helped me drive out other players on the flop and turn who may have been drawing to something that would beat me when all the cards were out. He was helping me defend my AA's! :) He must have pretty good income (certainly not from poker!), because he's not broke yet, I saw him there the other day, unfortunately just as I was leaving or I would have tried to get seated wherever he was playing. | ||
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| Re: An illustration of why slow play is often bad, LJH, 16. Oct 2003 16:07 | ||
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| NOISEBOY, AS THE SAYING GOES " IT ALL DEPENDS", BUT THE WAY I SEE IT YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN OUT AT THE FLOP.YOU HAD TOO FEW OUTS AT THAT TIME. LJH | ||
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| Re: An illustration of why slow play is often bad, noiseboy, 16. Oct 2003 16:19 | ||
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| Huh? I had no reason to think that JJ's were not the best hand at the flop. All I have to worry about are weirdo low str8s which theoretically shouldn't be there since I raised preflop. My main concern is to bet and raise to try to force out the drawing hands. Unfortunately, you do run into a set once in a while when you have an overpair, but you can't run around being afraid to run into sets because they don't come up that often. | ||
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