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 Easiest way to calculate outs!, MoTownJ5, 15. Oct 2003 16:58 | ||
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| I was wondering what the easiest way to calculate outs for a beginner. Thanks in advance. | ||
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| Re: Easiest way to calculate outs!, Jacks-and-Nines, 15. Oct 2003 23:30 | ||
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| First off, you bake a cheesecake. Then you cut it up into 52 equal slices, 54 if you play with jokers. Then eat a piece for every card you know, spray whipped cream on each piece you know tastes good, and put a cherry on four to represent each ace. Smash the remaining pieces together, weigh the cake, divide it by your weight before eating it, and the remaining fraction of the cake is the reciprocal of the pot odds. When playing in Brick&Mortar games, make sure to throw the pie in the floor manager's face when he tells you to leave. Glad to be of Assistance, Jacks-and-Nines | ||
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| Re: Easiest way to calculate outs!, RonnieB, 16. Oct 2003 09:28 | ||
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| I am also new but here goes my approach. I do not know of any easy way to calculate outs. 1. Draw - Flush Subtract the number of cards that will help you that you can see (from on the board or in your hand) from the maximum number possible. After the flop you have 2 spades in the pocket plus 2 more on the board. 13-4 = 9 outs 2. Draw - Straight Both ends open - Each end of the straight can be helped by 4 cards, you have 8 outs. Inside straight - 4 cards can help, 4 outs 3. Pair a card - 3 cards will help, 3 outs Drawing odds based on outs - Simple rule up to 9 outs that is close. Two cards left - Multiple outs by 4. Flush example 9*4=36% (actual is closer to 35%). Above 9 the multiplier of 4 is less accurate but is still close, for example 15 outs is around 57% not 60%. One card left multiply outs by 2. 9 outs with one card left, 9x2=18%(actual is around 19.6%). Above 9 the error increases but it is close enough for beginners. Sorry about the response you got from Jacks-and-Nines. The better players usually will just ignore a question they consider beneath them. If one them has significant problems with my response, hopefully they will take the time to set us straight. Keep reading this forum, you can get some great information. Ron | ||
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| Re: Easiest way to calculate outs!, Stl10202, 16. Oct 2003 13:12 | ||
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| I agree with Ronnie B. The easiest way I know is the rule of 4-2. With two cards two go, multiply your amount of outs by 4 to get the % and the same with one card only multiply by 2. It is pretty accurate too and helps a lot. | ||
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| Re: Easiest way to calculate outs!, GambleAB, 18. Oct 2003 18:28 | ||
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| Heres a fairly cerebral way: You need to find a percentage of the time that you will get a certain card (or cards) that will, in your opinion, give you the best hand. So take the total number of unknown cards in the deck (Assuming you just saw the flop, it would get 47 cards, which is the original 52, minus the 2 in your hand, minus the 3 on the flop). You then need to divide this number INTO the total number of cards that would help your position. So, assuming you have an open ended straight draw after the flop, there are 8 cards that would help (ignoring the fact that someone may have a higher straight, flush, ect.). Divide 8 by 47, and you get 17%. That means that there is a 17% chance that a helping card would come on the turn, and a 17% chance that a helping card will come on the river. To figure out the odds that you'll get one on the turn OR river, multiply the odds that you wouldn't get one on either (.83 x .83) and take the inverse, so with an open ended straight draw on the flop, you'll make the straight 31% of the time. Think about how many other people are in the hand, how many you envision staying to the river, and how much you've already put into the pot. If it looks like you'll have put in 30% or less of the money in the pot by the river, your getting good enough pot odds to stay (of course you'll also have to factor in other players hands and the odds that you could make your straight and someone else could make a better hand). | ||
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