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 Showing Cards, Brent, 15. Oct 2003 12:43 | ||
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| I find myself while playing in a B&M showing cards way more often than I should. I know every once in a while it is good to advertise or show your hand to encourage others to do so later on. However, I find when I'm playing and my solid hand gets beat by a great hand, I show before I think about it. I know on a deep level it's to prove that I'm not terrible and was raising and betting with a good hand. Anyone have advice on how I can stop this behavior? It seems that I only do this while playing with strangers, which is the worst time to do it I know. I'm sure it is just insecurity but any little tricks to stop would help. Brent | ||
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| Re: Showing Cards, ReMMy, 15. Oct 2003 12:59 | ||
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| See Barry T.s post on Money or Ego... My suggestion is to take solace in the fact that YOU know that you are playing good hands. Decide that you will never show a hand unless the intent was for advertising purposes, in which case I usually like to make sure someone calls me so that it doesn't look like im advertising... | ||
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| Re: Showing Cards, DallasPokerFan, 15. Oct 2003 13:08 | ||
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| I agree. In the movie Wall Street, Gordon Gekko says, "The most valuable commodity I know of is information." I think it holds true at B&M games as well. Any information you give someone is information that they would not otherwise have; e.g., what cards you turn over. This is not all bad if it's "dis-information," but it is true. That being said, there's no right or wrong amount of information and/or dis-information for a player to disclose .. it's all about putting the other players on bad decisions. For example, if you mix up your info brilliantly and your opponent is totally off-balance, he's more likely to make a bad decision than otherwise. But he may still make a good decision, such as betting his quads even though he's clueless as to what you have. | ||
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| Re: Showing Cards, modestmice, 15. Oct 2003 19:01 | ||
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| on 15. Oct 2003 13:08 DallasPokerFan wrote: > I agree. In the movie Wall Street, Gordon Gekko says, "The most valuable commodity I know > of is information." I think it holds true at B&M games as well. > > Any information you give someone is information that they would not otherwise have; e.g., > what cards you turn over. This is not all bad if it's "dis-information," but it is > true. > > That being said, there's no right or wrong amount of information and/or dis-information > for a player to disclose .. it's all about putting the other players on bad decisions. > > For example, if you mix up your info brilliantly and your opponent is totally > off-balance, he's more likely to make a bad decision than otherwise. But he may still > make a good decision, such as betting his quads even though he's clueless as to what you > have. hey dallas, i like that quote. great friggin movie. u should put it at the bottom og your posts dude "Some of the truly weakest players are those who think they know it all. Know-it-all-ism is one of the most exploitable weaknesses a player can have." --Steve Badger | ||
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| Re: Showing Cards, chasepoker, 18. Oct 2003 11:20 | ||
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| " Greed is good " | ||
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| Re: Showing Cards, Blue Sky, 15. Oct 2003 13:52 | ||
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| Brent, You alraedy know that showing cards is bad and now your just trying to figure out how to stop doing it...I have had the same problem in the past and this is nothing more then part of the evolution of being a good poker player. A couple of things to think of before you show your cards: 1. What do you think of the other players that show their cards? You probably think they look silly - you don't want to look silly do you? 2. You want to show that your a good player - why? I would rather have everyone think I am a bad player - I know I'm a decent player and usually better then most of the players at the table and over the course of the session I plan on proving it to them. In the mean while keep thinking I suck and I'll take your chips! 3. Most LL players and many poker players in general don't think past their own two cards - they don't remember that you had pocket A's and how you played them....let them wonder what you had. Vice versa the only players who remember what you had are going to be the better players at the table and these guys are usually good enough with out help from me. 4. Showing strong hands usually leads to a table discussion which leads to you thinking about the hand over and over and it wil put you on tilt by simply re-thinking the hand too many times. A lot of times if someone shows me a better hand or even the worse the longshot miracle catch I mutter "nice hand - I guess pocket dueces are no good then." I did it enough one night in a room where no one knew me that one older fellow pulled me aside to explain why low pocket pairs aren't a great hand. | ||
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| Re: Showing Cards, modestmice, 15. Oct 2003 19:05 | ||
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| on 15. Oct 2003 13:52 Blue Sky wrote: > Brent, > > You alraedy know that showing cards is bad and now your just trying to figure out > how to stop doing it...I have had the same problem in the past and this is nothing > more then part of the evolution of being a good poker player. > > A couple of things to think of before you show your cards: > 1. What do you think of the other players that show their cards? You probably > think they look silly - you don't want to look silly do you? > 2. You want to show that your a good player - why? I would rather have everyone > think I am a bad player - I know I'm a decent player and usually better then most of > the players at the table and over the course of the session I plan on proving it to > them. In the mean while keep thinking I suck and I'll take your chips! > 3. Most LL players and many poker players in general don't think past their own two > cards - they don't remember that you had pocket A's and how you played them....let > them wonder what you had. Vice versa the only players who remember what you had are > going to be the better players at the table and these guys are usually good enough > with out help from me. > 4. Showing strong hands usually leads to a table discussion which leads to you > thinking about the hand over and over and it wil put you on tilt by simply > re-thinking the hand too many times. > > A lot of times if someone shows me a better hand or even the worse the longshot > miracle catch I mutter "nice hand - I guess pocket dueces are no good then." I did > it enough one night in a room where no one knew me that one older fellow pulled me > aside to explain why low pocket pairs aren't a great hand. > i just cant believe when i first started out (B+M, 3-6) i would show many, many hands when i had the nuts or when i was making the"big"laydown. i was playing on ego, and giving away free info and didnt even realize it. a couple moths of that and i started to change that habit when i thought it would be better to keep peopl in the dark and guessing what you held. i think in lower limit, people holdings are fairly transparent, but still, u shouldnt help anyone. "Some of the truly weakest players are those who think they know it all. Know-it-all-ism is one of the most exploitable weaknesses a player can have." --Steve Badger | ||
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| Re: Showing Cards, Brent, 16. Oct 2003 09:31 | ||
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| Thanks everyone. My next time to a B & M I am going to decide going in not to show cards and come up with a way to punish myself if I do. I don't think I'm an idiot and I know I think that when people show there cards. Good suggestion and I will use it. Brent | ||
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| Re: Showing Cards, hokie95, 16. Oct 2003 09:51 | ||
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| Try this: The next time I show cards without a specific, positive expectation purpose (if you wanna advertise your bluff from the BB with 74o, go ahead), require yourself to raise the next hand pre-flop, no matter what you have, from whatever position. Essentially, the thought process should be: "would I throw money away next hand by showing this?" I think throwing away a BB each time you do it (probably) should be enough of a hand slap to keep you from doing this anymore. (of course, you'll follow this advice and end up winning the hand...or get dealt AA the first 3 times.) -Hokie95 on 16. Oct 2003 09:31 Brent wrote: > Thanks everyone. My next time to a B & M I am going to decide going in not to show > cards and come up with a way to punish myself if I do. I don't think I'm an idiot > and I know I think that when people show there cards. Good suggestion and I will use > it. > > Brent | ||
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| Re: Showing Cards, Brent, 16. Oct 2003 09:54 | ||
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| Good suggestions Hokie. | ||
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| Re: Showing Cards, gary ford, 18. Oct 2003 10:09 | ||
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| on 16. Oct 2003 09:31 Brent wrote: > Thanks everyone. My next time to a B & M I am going to decide going in not to show > cards and come up with a way to punish myself if I do. I don't think I'm an idiot > and I know I think that when people show there cards. Good suggestion and I will use > it. if you keep showing cards, you won't have to punish yourself, the other players will do it for you | ||
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