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 Last Night I Got Trapped . . ., Bart Mann, 15. Oct 2003 08:45 | ||
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| NLHE at UB.com. I’m on the button with KQ offsuit. Player in middle position puts in a 2x blind raise—not huge for this table. The only pre-flop raising I’d seen up to that point (about 3 hours of play) had been with AA, KK or AK, and in every case the player who held it wouldn’t let it go and lost. It was that kind of table pretty much all night. I called the bet with 4 other players including the original raiser, and the flop came Q-9-K. After the two EP players checked the original raiser also checks—leading me to believe the King and/or Queen in the flop scared him at least a little. One more check, then I made it a pot-sized bet to go with my two big pair. All fold except the original raiser, who hesitantly calls. I now believe he is holding either JJ, or 1010, and is fishing for one more card to make his set. The next card is a blank. He checks again. I think about this for a long time . . . my spidey senses are tingling. Do I really have him beat, or is he sucking me in? Why is he risking letting me draw to a huge boat for free? And why is he coming along for the ride? Maybe he put me on Kings or Queens, but not both? I jam in another pot-sized bet, and he calls. The River is a blank. He checks for the third time in a row. If he has me beat, is he really that sure I’m going to bet again? Would he risk me just checking off at the river and potentially losing the opportunity to make a huge score? I could check here, or I could bet it. A check results in an anti-climactic showdown—but why would I want THAT? I want to double-up. I want to put this guy on a decision, then run over this weak player. I push all-in and he calls. My two big pair is no match for his pocket 99, giving him a set and a huge stack of chips. I’d put this under “Bad Beats,” but it clearly wasn’t. I was simply outplayed. | ||
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| Re: Last Night I Got Trapped . . ., shorn, 15. Oct 2003 09:55 | ||
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| Bart- This is similar to the str8 hand that I posted yesterday. What I have found is that not many players (who you haven't noticed are total fish) will call two pot sized bets without a very big hand. Unfortunately for you, this flop killed you from the get go and that will happen sometimes. I like your pot sized flop and turn betsm, but after he calls the last one and checks to you, you have to ask yourself what hand will he call the river with that you can beat? AK or AQ? I doubt he would check call two pot bets with either of those. K9 or Q9? He raised preflop so unlikely. AA? Maybe, but he probably would have popped you on the flop with that in case you had just a King to make you pay to draw. So, the only hands that I can put him on are JT or a set, both of which have you beat. I would take the free showdown and if he does have AA then great. But, it is much more likely that he is just letting you do the betting for him here (much like the guy I lost to who flopped the str8). Good luck. Steve | ||
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| Re: Last Night I Got Trapped . . ., Bart Mann, 15. Oct 2003 10:39 | ||
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| I couldn't agree more. In my poker journal I keep a list of "Potential Leaks in my Game." Two of them are relevant to this situation I believe: 1) Not giving people who call big bets enough credit; and 2) Putting people on hands too early and not adjusting later in the hand. I violated both of these in a most horrific manner. For starters, I put the guy on AK or AQ early, and never once changed my mind. Stupid mistake. Then I make the assumption that he's calling my bets looking for free cards--again a stupid mistake. Sometimes you just do things that are completely undefendable. This, unfortunately, was one of those times. Thanks for the reply. | ||
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| Re: Last Night I Got Trapped . . ., Mark Barnett II, 15. Oct 2003 10:20 | ||
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| ok extremely limited NL player here *although have done well when i have played* ummm just what exactly did you think he could have that he could call your final bet and still lose to your hand? *keeping in mind all he ever did was chk call you* im honestly confused here, you chk on end and win nice pot if your hand holds up, you avoid any nasty surprises, and im just not sure what hand he is gonna call an all in bet with and still lose and what possible hands that are better than yours can you bluff off? | ||
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| Re: Last Night I Got Trapped . . ., Bart Mann, 15. Oct 2003 10:49 | ||
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| You'd be surprised in the No-Limit rooms how many times Kings with an Ace or Queens with an Ace are the best hand--especially when you isolate someone 1-on-1 early. I've seen (and had) plenty of people call an all-in bet with it. I put him on AK or AQ initially, and never adjusted. Admittedly, it was a huge mistake. There's no running from it. Last night, I stunk up the joint. | ||
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| Re: Last Night I Got Trapped . . ., Mark Barnett II, 15. Oct 2003 12:10 | ||
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| ok this is from me wanting to learn. you say frequently if you get someone isolated top pair big kicker is a good hand and they will call, are you saying that had the player had AK he would have played the hand the same and called your all in bet? my only issue with how you played it is the final all in bet, if there are lesser hands that you think would call the flop bet the turn bet and then the all in bet im not sure you made the wrong bet then, personally i dont think i could call the flop call the turn and call an all in bet on the river with just top pair, i would have raised somewhere to find out where i stand | ||
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| Re: Last Night I Got Trapped . . ., shorn, 15. Oct 2003 12:37 | ||
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| I agree Mark. NL is a game where monster hands call all-in bets while weaker hands raise vulnerable hands (except on the river of course). So, I think that in this example, AK or AQ can be eliminated on the flop as any good player would raise the flop with AK to find out if he/she is against more than one pair. | ||
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| Re: Last Night I Got Trapped . . ., Bart Mann, 15. Oct 2003 13:16 | ||
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| Once again, I completely agree. But to add a little more perspective, this particular player was not a solid player . . . which makes it hurt even more that he beat me, by the way. Just a few hands prior he had taken pocket 10s all the way to the river with two overcards on the flop, and lost to a guy who made a pair of aces early. Look at the way he played his set of 9s--he was willing to let me "catch up" to him for free, with two overcards in the flop. I would think--and maybe I'm wrong here--that a solid player would have made a reasonable-sized bet after the flop to see where he stands, especially looking at two overcards. A set of 9s is a good hand, but do you risk letting your oppent draw two more cards? Heck, with a KQ out there I could have been drawing to a straight as well, and he had no intention of stopping me. But alas, I was beaten handily--so what do I know ;-) | ||
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| Re: Last Night I Got Trapped . . ., Schuster, 17. Oct 2003 11:43 | ||
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| Yeah, giving the option of free cards with a K-Q-9 board is definately not great play. Any jack or ten has to look mighty scary, and of course, KQ is a definite possibility. It worked out well for him this time, but the board is too coordinated to let people play cheaply in my eyes. Lee | ||
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| Re: Last Night I Got Trapped . . ., modestmice, 15. Oct 2003 19:22 | ||
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| that is really funny (in a not so good way) because someone posted something about the hesitation move as the only tell he is sure of online. i wasnt so sure about it, but this guy flopped a set and "hesitantly calls." who knows? maybe it is a valid tell to look for on 15. Oct 2003 08:45 Bart Mann wrote: All fold except the original raiser, > who hesitantly calls. I now believe he is holding either JJ, or 1010, | ||
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