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 3-bet with ATo???, noiseboy, 13. Oct 2003 09:35 | ||
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| Hello there, the following hand came up recently at UB, and I was wondering what you guys think. Hand #510449-3529 at London ($5/$10 Hold'em) Powered by UltimateBet Started at 13/Oct/03 12:26:58 Snaggle is at seat 0 with $231. Turgidson is at seat 1 with $492. walmart is at seat 3 with $203.50. sham is at seat 4 with $466. Rockette is at seat 5 with $318. LEGGGGGGGGGGY is at seat 6 with $631. noiseboy is at seat 7 with $379. deadboy76 is at seat 8 with $348.50. pokerpatty is at seat 9 with $474. The button is at seat 5. LEGGGGGGGGGGY posts the small blind of $2. noiseboy posts the big blind of $5. Snaggle: -- -- Turgidson: -- -- walmart: -- -- sham: -- -- Rockette: -- -- LEGGGGGGGGGGY: -- -- noiseboy: Ad Th deadboy76: -- -- pokerpatty: -- -- Pre-flop: deadboy76 folds. pokerpatty folds. Snaggle folds. Turgidson folds. walmart folds. sham folds. Rockette raises to $10. LEGGGGGGGGGGY folds. noiseboy re-raises to $15. Rockette calls. Flop (board: 5s 4d As): noiseboy bets $5. Rockette calls. Turn (board: 5s 4d As 6c): noiseboy bets $10. Rockette folds. noiseboy is returned $10 (uncalled). Hand #510449-3529 Summary: $2 is raked from a pot of $42. noiseboy wins $40. ---------------------------------------------------------------- OK, do you think it would be better to have just called, even though i suspected the late position raiser might not have much, so that I could've made more after the flop if I hit an A or T? Or am I right to 3-bet pre-flop and have the advantage of being the the aggressor? That being said, if the flop wasn't too scary, I'd probably bet out with my A-high on most flops. Comments? Thanks! | ||
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| Re: 3-bet with ATo???, mkpoker, 13. Oct 2003 09:47 | ||
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| I agree with your play 100% IF you suspected the button player was trying to steal your blind, in what looks like a very likely steal situation. If he were a tight player who never tried to steal and only raised with premium hands, I would have called only. Generally, if you think he's on a steal, you want him to muck ASAP. You have no idea what he might hold, so it's tough to predict what cards might help on the flop or turn. You're not likely to score a huge pot here...get him out, move on to the next hand...and he's much less likely to mess with your blinds next time! | ||
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| Re: 3-bet with ATo???, noiseboy, 13. Oct 2003 10:04 | ||
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| That was my thinking, but I wasn't sure if ATo was too weak for the 3-bet play. How far down can I make this play? A8o, what about something like KJ, suited or not? If the flop doesn't help me, do I still bet no matter what? | ||
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| Re: 3-bet with ATo???, Schuster, 13. Oct 2003 10:11 | ||
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| If you're going to 3 bet before the flop, you definately want to fire away after the flop. How low you can go depends a lot on your opponent. How low will he open for a steal raise? Will he release his hand if he doesn't hit the flop or is he capable of playing back with nothing if it looks like you missed? Will he play to the river if he catches a little piece of it, or will he let it go to a bet on the flop or turn? Will he play back at you with just a little piece, or does will he need more than that? Lee | ||
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| Re: 3-bet with ATo???, noiseboy, 13. Oct 2003 10:15 | ||
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| so it mostly comes down to knowing your player. Good point. I hadn't played with this person before so I didn't really have much knowledge of them. I guess if I knew them to be very aggressive, I could've checked that flop with an A, hoping they'd try to take the pot away from me. Although it's risky, might be worth it. | ||
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| Re: 3-bet with ATo???, shorn, 13. Oct 2003 10:17 | ||
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| I think it is a 3-bet or fold situation. I would tend to fold this hand unless I had a really good read on my opponent because with just about any other Ace hand (A9 the exception), you are dominated with that flop. But, if you are going to play you definitely should take control. | ||
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| Re: 3-bet with ATo???, noiseboy, 13. Oct 2003 10:30 | ||
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| yeah, my feeling was that a lot of people will try to steal with just about any A in that situation, so the T is much more likely to be OK as a kicker. Normally, I don't think a T is a very good kicker at all. Another factor, is that a lot of players will raise with small pairs in that situation. By 3-betting and betting out, any flop with overcards will make it extremely hard for someone with something like 44s or 66s to call, even if their hand is better than mine. | ||
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| Re: 3-bet with ATo???, KJo, 13. Oct 2003 14:05 | ||
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| I like 3-betting there, also for psychological reasons. One of the best ways to swat someone back is the play you made, so even if you miss the flop completely you have taken control of the hand and may be able to get a free card before the button wakes up. With that flop you made the right play by betting out, just keep control of the hand as long as you're allowed to. But it isn't a hand I would want to go to the river with unimproved, so don't feel too bad about the fold on the turn. Eli on 13. Oct 2003 10:30 noiseboy wrote: > yeah, my feeling was that a lot of people will try to steal with just about any A in that > situation, so the T is much more likely to be OK as a kicker. > > Normally, I don't think a T is a very good kicker at all. Another factor, is that a lot > of players will raise with small pairs in that situation. By 3-betting and betting out, > any flop with overcards will make it extremely hard for someone with something like 44s or > 66s to call, even if their hand is better than mine. | ||
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