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 hand analysis, Blade, 12. Oct 2003 00:22 | ||
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| I have K9o from BB. fold to botton. SB calls, I check. flop comes q94 rainbow. I bet botton raises. I call. sb folds. turn is rag. botton bets I call. 5th is 4. botton bets I call. Botton shows Q. OK first let me say I am trying out the Wilson software and on this hand I followed the advisors recommendation. On the flop it gave the option to check or bet. I bet as checking gives no hope winning hand. However I feel after the raise a fold was probably warranted and atleast a fold on the turn. I know a computer isn't the real thing but my question is am I missing something with the calling station antics after the flop raise or are my instincts right. Does having the overcard K affect my play at all? | ||
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| Re: hand analysis, modestmice, 12. Oct 2003 01:01 | ||
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| yeah, i dont know about the software, but i woulda folded on the turn when no king poped. i woulda put dude on q with the raise and the bet out on turn and there really isnt enuf money inthe pot to call to river anyhow... on 12. Oct 2003 00:22 Blade wrote: > I have K9o from BB. fold to botton. SB calls, I check. > > flop comes q94 rainbow. I bet botton raises. I call. sb folds. turn is rag. > botton bets I call. 5th is 4. botton bets I call. Botton shows Q. > > OK first let me say I am trying out the Wilson software and on this hand I > followed the advisors recommendation. On the flop it gave the option to check > or bet. I bet as checking gives no hope winning hand. However I feel after the > raise a fold was probably warranted and atleast a fold on the turn. > > I know a computer isn't the real thing but my question is am I missing > something with the calling station antics after the flop raise or are my > instincts right. Does having the overcard K affect my play at all? | ||
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| Re: hand analysis, mkpoker, 12. Oct 2003 08:30 | ||
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| You didn't say, but I assumed the button limped only, so you took the flop 3-handed. The problem here is that you really have no idea what the button and SB could have. Button could have called with an average hand hoping to outplay you later (although he probably should have raised to give you a chance to fold pre-flop) and SB could have ANYTHING but decided to see a flop for 1/2 bet. I think there's an excellent chance your middle pair is the best hand at this point. **Your objective on the flop should be to find out...to put your opponents to the test and see if they really have a Q!** Your bet on the flop begins that process, but doesn't end it. I think your action should depend almost entirely on your sense of the button player. If he's weak-tight, and would raise only with a top-pair top-kicker kind of hand, you can probably put him on a Q, and should fold to his flop raise. You're probably behind and your chances of improving aren't enough to justify staying in (you have only 5 outs). BUT (and I think this is more likely), if you think the button is a more clever player whose raise could be a play for the pot, I'd re-raise him. That move--which promises a real hand from you--will "call him out" and likely expose his true colors. If he reraises (or even calls and then bets the turn), he's probably got the goods and you can fold, saving more bets later on. But if he's holding a hand like Axo--or anything other than top pair--he'll probably fold to you. To answer your other question directly, I don't think your holding a single overcard (the K) affects your play much. Your job is to find out if the middle pair is good. If it's behind, you don't have the right odds to stay in. | ||
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| Re: hand analysis, modestmice, 12. Oct 2003 16:05 | ||
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| i really dont think this is a re raise hand. but if u wanna re raise 2nd paie, go right ahead. just fold the turkey and get fancy when u have a good size godamn pot with a better hand!! on 12. Oct 2003 08:30 mkpoker wrote: > You didn't say, but I assumed the button limped only, so you took the flop 3-handed. > The problem here is that you really have no idea what the button and SB could have. > Button could have called with an average hand hoping to outplay you later (although > he probably should have raised to give you a chance to fold pre-flop) and SB could > have ANYTHING but decided to see a flop for 1/2 bet. > > I think there's an excellent chance your middle pair is the best hand at this point. > **Your objective on the flop should be to find out...to put your opponents to the > test and see if they really have a Q!** Your bet on the flop begins that process, > but doesn't end it. > > I think your action should depend almost entirely on your sense of the button > player. If he's weak-tight, and would raise only with a top-pair top-kicker kind of > hand, you can probably put him on a Q, and should fold to his flop raise. You're > probably behind and your chances of improving aren't enough to justify staying in > (you have only 5 outs). > > BUT (and I think this is more likely), if you think the button is a more clever > player whose raise could be a play for the pot, I'd re-raise him. That move--which > promises a real hand from you--will "call him out" and likely expose his true colors. > If he reraises (or even calls and then bets the turn), he's probably got the goods > and you can fold, saving more bets later on. But if he's holding a hand like > Axo--or anything other than top pair--he'll probably fold to you. > > To answer your other question directly, I don't think your holding a single overcard > (the K) affects your play much. Your job is to find out if the middle pair is good. > If it's behind, you don't have the right odds to stay in. | ||
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