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 How long should a session be?, MaDDoG2020, 11. Oct 2003 17:32 | ||
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| I go to an Indian casino and play seven card stud 1/2 dollars and I buy in at 30. The's no ante and no pot limit . The past 2 times I've gone I brought home at least $90 not including what I put in. I went Thur. 6 pm to 12:30 am. And fri I went from 2:30 pm to eight pm. As long as I stretch and restroom break every now ant then I'm fine. I was just wondering if any one has certain time frames and such. And My Last hand before I left fri was AAA full of 10's which was a nice Hand to finish with. I'm doing o.k. thus far. I only been playing for 4 months and I just bought "Texas dolly's" book, And also been reading what Caro has to say, yes I watch the WPT, but really have been interested since I seen "Rounders". Enough babble, but let know about sessions in general, thanks, Jeremy, AKA: MaDDoG 20/20 | ||
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| Re: How long should a session be?, modestmice, 11. Oct 2003 17:42 | ||
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| as long as you feel good to play. ive played 24+ hours str and felt OK and was making good decisions, so it just depends. looks like your off to a good start in poker, good luck... n 11. Oct 2003 17:32 MaDDoG2020 wrote: > I go to an Indian casino and play seven card stud 1/2 dollars and I buy in at > 30. The's no ante and no pot limit . The past 2 times I've gone I brought home > at least $90 not including what I put in. I went Thur. 6 pm to 12:30 am. And > fri I went from 2:30 pm to eight pm. As long as I stretch and restroom break > every now ant then I'm fine. I was just wondering if any one has certain time > frames and such. And My Last hand before I left fri was AAA full of 10's which > was a nice Hand to finish with. I'm doing o.k. thus far. I only been playing > for 4 months and I just bought "Texas dolly's" book, And also been reading > what Caro has to say, yes I watch the WPT, but really have been interested > since I seen "Rounders". > > Enough babble, but let know about sessions in general, > > thanks, > Jeremy, > AKA: MaDDoG 20/20 > | ||
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| Re: How long should a session be?, docholdiay420, 21. Jan 2004 15:05 | ||
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| I've noticed something really strange but makes sense, especially online. If after one hour I am up, I 'm am giong to be the winner for that session. If after the first hour I am own, or even I am going to lose everthing I inted to play with. Poker is still about cards and swings. If within that first houor u don't win a big pot and see urself ahead, get out. This might be one of those streaks of cold hands. take a break for atleast and hour and then try again, same thinking. Hopefully you won't lose that much in an hour. So when u sit back it'll be like u just started playing. Let soeone else take that bad seat or just missing a few hands can change the cards up. As for as how long time wise, there is really ntohing to live or die by. I like to base it off of mone and feeling. I have played sessions for ten plus hours, and I have also sat at a table for two hours and tripled my money. If I find myself tripling my money within two to three hours I will usually quit then. I don't see myself continuing that luck for more hours. If anything I will come to a sudden halt. Also after I double my money don't play loose, I play much tighter. For istance now I would only start with trips, or kk or aa. The feeing being I have doubled my money and made what i hope to make. Don't I'm just seeing if I could win some more. Don't waste money chasing a flush. If nothing really happens within that hour I go. Also if I have doubled my money I will leave after one bad beat. The thinking is this, lets say a low stake 1-5 spread 7-stud. I bought in with 150 and now have about 310 in front of me. I take a bad beat and lose about 50 now down to 260. Still up over 100 and can call it a successful session. If I continue to play I have to understand that I may have to win one, maybe two more hands to get back to the max I was up before (310) not counting what I would lose on playing hands to say maybe fourth or fifth. On top of that what if I catch a dreaded second bad beat, now I;m back to around 200. I have given back 110. Now I'm still up fifty but not 160. On top of that if the next hand I play also doesn't go my way I can end up even, or after a second bad beat find myself on a tilt. i could end up down after what I was up. To sum it up if you want to make a steady income a day and can do it set ur limit. When u reach it don't quit, don't quit, you are hot and could win more. However after one bad beat then leave. Because if the next hand you play goes ur way ur back to the most u were up and if it doesn't u may find urself back to whereu started. After the first bad beat, ur session comes down to the next hand u play. Cut ur losses u made a profit. Now if ur up a litle but not too much don't quit, poker is meant to be a long patient game. And play it the way u should, just use the next bad beat I'm out theory to keep u from losig back all or ur winnings | ||
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| Re: How long should a session be?, MozMan, 11. Oct 2003 18:06 | ||
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| I wouldn't worry too much about playing too long. Just play until you start feeling too tired; after a while, you will get to know your own limits. If I am well rested and feeling good, I can go about 18 hours when I will need to leave. If I show up at the casino after working all day, then 8-12 hours is as much as I can handle. Be more careful about limiting your time. I frequently play when I only have 2-3 hours at my disposal, and often I have to leave just as Ia m getting in the zone. -Moz "The more you ignore me, the closer I get. You're wasting your time." | ||
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| Re: How long should a session be?, modestmice, 11. Oct 2003 18:11 | ||
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| very good point moz. cant play when u have constraints on 11. Oct 2003 18:06 MozMan wrote: > I wouldn't worry too much about playing too long. Just play until you start feeling > too tired; after a while, you will get to know your own limits. > > If I am well rested and feeling good, I can go about 18 hours when I will need to > leave. If I show up at the casino after working all day, then 8-12 hours is as much > as I can handle. > > Be more careful about limiting your time. I frequently play when I only have 2-3 > hours at my disposal, and often I have to leave just as Ia m getting in the zone. > > -Moz > > "The more you ignore me, the closer I get. You're wasting your time." | ||
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| Re: How long should a session be?, Brent, 13. Oct 2003 10:24 | ||
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| I agree Moz. I played this weekend and after 4 hours I got real comfortable and started playing better. I had to leave shortly after and hated it. | ||
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| Re: How long should a session be?, Blade, 11. Oct 2003 18:18 | ||
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| I have noticed through my record keeping that between hrs 4-5 I usually see a decrease in my win rate. I have thus started taking a break after each 4hrs. Note this does not put a limit on the amount of time I can play ie 4 -4hr sessions. I have also found that helps during a truly horrible session as I have a built in rest & reflection period. | ||
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| Re: How long should a session be?, Pamela, 11. Oct 2003 18:42 | ||
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| Hi maddog . Good record keeping. Mike Caro , The Book of Tells would be great for Live games. | ||
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| Re: How long should a session be?, modestmice, 11. Oct 2003 18:51 | ||
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| on the subject of tells and new players, i find it highly amusing to see new players studying players and trying to pick up "tells" in low limit games.at the tables as if they're at the wsop final table. complete waste of time. being good has little to do with picking up on tells in low limit. when i play in NL tournies however, its a bit more important. low limit players are so transparent its insane. you could play with cards face up and they would still call. lol on 11. Oct 2003 18:42 Pamela wrote: > Hi maddog . Good record keeping. Mike Caro , The Book of Tells would be great for > Live games. | ||
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| Re: How long should a session be?, Blade, 11. Oct 2003 20:01 | ||
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| The one player I love seeing in a live game is someone playing 3-6 with their hat pulled down low and sunglasses one intensley studying me and the other players. These guys are so easy to fool it ridiculous at times. The problem is they have convinced themselves they are great readers when in fact I doubt many can read a book let alone whether I am looking at my drink to act disinterested in the hand or because simply my Mountain Dew has been empty for 15 minutes and I am wondering when the waitress will be coming by again. There is a lot of fun to be had by giving off intentional tells and watching their confused expressions as you continually change your actions following these tells. | ||
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| Re: How long should a session be?, modestmice, 11. Oct 2003 20:12 | ||
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| lol. i do that on occasion, there is something to be said for acting like a jackass that looks like he just started playing. i was playing 6-12 with a guy like that last year and everyone thought this young guy was a newbie, but hung out with him ona smoke break and he was actually a pro player from reno. advice: never underestimate anyone. 21 years old, shades and hat included. 11. Oct 2003 20:01 Blade wrote: > The one player I love seeing in a live game is someone playing 3-6 with their hat pulled down > low and sunglasses one intensley studying me and the other players. These guys are so easy to > fool it ridiculous at times. The problem is they have convinced themselves they are great > readers when in fact I doubt many can read a book let alone whether I am looking at my drink to > act disinterested in the hand or because simply my Mountain Dew has been empty for 15 minutes > and I am wondering when the waitress will be coming by again. > > There is a lot of fun to be had by giving off intentional tells and watching their confused > expressions as you continually change your actions following these tells. > | ||
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| Re: How long should a session be?, Blade, 11. Oct 2003 20:25 | ||
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| So true, I always with out fail get underestimated because of my age by older players. One of which told me he has been playing poker longer than I have been alive to which I thought "yes and you have been making the same mistakes the whole time" this guy was the classic "I have to see them" even thought I know I am beat type. The one difference I have noticed is that the truly good & great players with amazing reading skills are those who try to make everyone at the table comfortable. Its hard to tell they are even studying you. The poor one do the "WPT final table stare" on every decision to the point of which makes people uncomfortable. | ||
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| Re: How long should a session be?, MrTeLLnj, 13. Oct 2003 10:33 | ||
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| on 11. Oct 2003 20:25 Blade wrote: > So true, I always with out fail get underestimated because of my age by older players. One of which told > me he has been playing poker longer than I have been alive to which I thought "yes and you have been > making the same mistakes the whole time" this guy was the classic "I have to see them" even thought I > know I am beat type. > > The one difference I have noticed is that the truly good & great players with amazing reading skills are > those who try to make everyone at the table comfortable. Its hard to tell they are even studying you. > > The poor one do the "WPT final table stare" on every decision to the point of which makes people > uncomfortable. THIS IS VERY TRUE , I FEEL THE CALM AND RELAXED PLAYERS AT LOW LIMIT GAMES , WITCH I PLAY, ARE THE ONES WHO KILL YOU . I HAVE READ MIKE CAROES BOOK OF TELLS MANY TIMES AND THE ONE THING HE STRESSES IS DONT LOOK FOR TELLS CUZZ YOU WILL CONFUSE THE HELL OUT OF YOUR SELF.IN A WAY PSYCH YOU SELF OUT AND YOU WILL LOOK LIKE A FOOOL STAIRING SOMEONE DOWN FOR 12 BUCKS YOU HAVE PUT IN THE POT HAHAHAAHAA( THAT IS FUNNY , I MEAN CALL OR FOLD IN A LL 2-4 GAME )..WHEN YOU GET THOSE RELAXED PLAYERS MOST OF THE TIME WHEN I TAKE A BREAK AND WALK AROUND I SEE THEM SITTING AT A HIGHER LIMIT TABLE ....DAMB VOLCHERS THEY ARE ...THEY SIT DOWN AT THE 3-6 TABLES TO STACK UP THERE TIP MONEY FOR THE GIRLS HAHAHAHA SOME OF CAROES TELLS ARE VERY STRANGE ....THEY MAKE YOU THINK TO MUCH ..YOU WILL SEE TO MUCH ..YOU WILL GAIN TO MUCH ..THEN YOU WILL MAKE TO MANY MISTAKES. | ||
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| Re: How long should a session be?, Brent, 13. Oct 2003 10:29 | ||
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| I am one of those newbies trying to pick tells. I don't wear a hat or sunglasses and I don't stare while I'm in the hand. I try to strickly play my cards or position and watch people while I'm not in the hand. | ||
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| Re: How long should a session be?, MrTeLLnj, 13. Oct 2003 10:34 | ||
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| on 13. Oct 2003 10:29 Brent wrote: > I am one of those newbies trying to pick tells. I don't wear a hat or sunglasses and I don't > stare while I'm in the hand. I try to strickly play my cards or position and watch people > while I'm not in the hand. I REALY THINK EVERYONE TRYS TO BE HOWARD LEDDERER AT TABLES ...LOL.......I MAY SOUND SNOTY BUT IT IS TRUE ....LOL HELL WHAT DO I KNOW ,,I HAVE ONLY BEEN PLAY FOR A YEAR OR 2 AT TABLES...BUT I THINK ITS FUNNY | ||
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| Re: How long should a session be?, MaDDoG2020, 13. Oct 2003 16:14 | ||
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| Thanks to all for the advice, I want to play all the time but I don't have the bankroll to with out making a living with a job. I do wear a hat, no glasses though, and since I'm new to the world of poker I don't rely on reading "tells" as of yet... I think that comes with experience, when you can read a person without making a whole act out of it. I know eventually I'll have to make a decision to go pro, that I will have to move out of FL. But as of now I'm comfortable in the small steps I have taken to move forward in the realm of poker. | ||
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| Re: How long should a session be?, CRCarson, 26. Nov 2003 16:35 | ||
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| Hmmm...never been to a casino, but if I went, I would probably wear a hat just to cut down on the glare from the overhead lights. And I might wear glasses to keep the better players from getting to good a read on me...not the other way around. As for looking like Howard Lederer...I aspire to such a perch. | ||
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| Re: How long should a session be?, ADAM THE EXPERT, 24. Oct 2003 01:55 | ||
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| WELL, MADDOG, YOU DIDN'T INCLUDE THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR, IN ANSWERING THIS QUESTION: WHAT ARE YOU HOPING TO ACHEIVE?! IF YOU ARE TRYING TO HAVE FUN, THEN LEAVE THE MINUTE YOU'RE NOT !!!! IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE MONEY, THEN THE DISTANCE YOU DRIVE TO THE CASINO, IS IMPORTANT. IF IT'S A HOUR EACH WAY, THEN YOU SHOULD BE INCLINED TO PLAY LONGER. USUALLY, THE KEY ISSUSES ARE: IS THE GAME STILL GOOD, AND ARE YOU TIRED. ALSO, FAMILY CONSIDERATIONS, ARE IMPORTANT. IF YOU ARE MAKING A LIVING PLAYING POKER, IT'S MUCH BETTER TO PLAY AS SHORT AS YOU CAN, AND STILL MAKE A LIVING. BETTER TO PLAY EIGHT HOURS A DAY, IF YOU CAN HAVE AN EXPECTATION OF FIFTY GRAND A YEAR, AND STILL HAVE A FAMILY, THEN TO PLAY 16 HOURS A DAY, MAKE TWICE AS MUCH, BUT LOSE YOUR FAMILY, BECAUSE THEY NEVER GET TO SEE YOU. ALSO, HOW OFTEN IS THE GAME YOUR ENJOY, SPREAD? IN A GAME THAT IS ONLY SPREAD ONCE A WEEK, YOU SHOULD PLAN TO STAY AS LONG AS YOU CAN. SLEEP EXTRA, THE NIGHT BEFORE THE GAME. IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO TRAVEL A GREAT DISTANCE TO PLAY, AND THE GAME IS AVAILABLE ALL THE TIME, THEN YOU PLAY AS LONG, OR AS SHORT AS YOU LIKE. WITH INTERNET POKER, A SESSION CAN BE AS SHORT AS A MINUTE. IF I DON'T LIKE A GAME, OR HAVE A LUCKY BIG WIN IN THE FIRST HAND, I MAY QUIT, WATCH A T.V. SHOW, AND PLAY LATER. I HAVE UP TO TWENTY DIFFERENT SESSIONS A DAY!!!!! GONE ARE THE DAYS, WHEN I WOULD DRIVE ALL NIGHT, TO GO PLAY SOME GREAT NO LIMIT GAME!!! INTERNET POKER, IS LIKE A DREAM COME TRUE FOR ME. SO, CONSIDER ALL THOSE THINGS. ALSO, CONSIDER IF YOU ARE PLAYING BELOW YOUR SKILL LEVEL. IF YOU ARE, THEN YOU CAN PLAY SHORTER SESSIONS, AT A LARGER LIMIT, AND MAKE THE SAME MONEY, IN LESS TIME, OR MORE MONEY, IN THE SAME TIME. YOU DON'T WANT TO PLAY ABOVE, OR BELOW YOUR SKILL/BANKROLL LEVEL. JUST LIKE CLOTHES, POKER SHOULD NOT BE TOO BIG, OR TOO SMALL | ||
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| Re: How long should a session be?, docholiday420, 25. Jan 2004 23:50 | ||
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| I agree with the benefit of internet poker in the time of sessions. My outlook is I try to win 40 big bets a week, averaging forty big bets an hour and logging in for 40 hours. I try to break it down weekly into 8 five hour sessions. So when I play online I am trying just to win 5 big bets. Thelevel is irrelevent. I noticed sometimes its a grind I sit down and it may take more then five hours to reach that amount. If the crads are cold and I have to change tables a few times to find the right one. Sometimes though with the internet I maybe up my five big bets by the thirdhand. Unlike playing at a B&M it is so much easier now to leave. I livein New Haven and foxwoods is about forty-five minutes away. On trips where I won what i wanted to win early it was harder to look to the trip back and get up and leave. On the internet I tell myself to leaver now and come backin a few hours with the same goal, five big bets. Some people say the game is good and I shouldn't lave, but I have had htis ahppen to me a few times ot know that is not always true. I have sat down,maybe won the first hand or atlast within the first ten, and reached my quota for that session. I feel the cards will go my way and I'll stay. I end up taking two or maybe three bad beats, and now have to fight my way back up to reach my goal. I most times evenbtually do, but those extra hours you ask urself, I could have just left. As far as online vs B&M I play seven card, and I use the odds, remember the dead cards and play tight so I really don't need to see the players I am playing to win. However with hold 'em I need to see who exactly I am playing against, so I do not have good luck online with that. I like to see people's eyes widen when they get a card thy want on the turn, or dn't like what they see, how they smoke the cigarette, how the take a drink, do they take a drink, are they drinking, and not playing their best. I felt between these two games that sevene card is more about counting cards, playing the odds and hold em where there is far more possible outcomes withth five community cards is more about reading the player. However to answer ur post if u set a goal whatever it is and u catch it go. As soon as u see one bad beat, u may go on a tilt faster feeling u had what u wantd and now u want it back soon. If I win a really big hand and make mor then I expected I usually may play a no limit sit and go, for some xtra cash, that I am fifty percent in makinginto the money. That's just me though I feeel no limit hold emis the only way to play it. | ||
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