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 Get me out of here!, Angel, 11. Oct 2003 10:58 | ||
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| Has any one else experienced anything similar... I just can't seem to put in the time at my home casino. If I go out of town I'm ok - but I can't seem to put in anything longer than a 3 hour session. I'm running fine, I'm 10 for 10 this month - not that I'm refusing to accept a loss the wins are just coming. In 10 days I've played 38 hours and 24 of that was out of town for 3 days - the other 14 hours is 7 'sessions' (not sure I want to call it a session when it's that short) at home. I'm having a fine month thus far money wise -regardless of where I play - my heart just isn't in it at home. I have a thought on it but don't want to put words in anyone's mouth - I'd like to get some feedback before I put it out there. Thanks. | ||
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| Re: Get me out of here!, Blade, 11. Oct 2003 11:36 | ||
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| I haven't had this exact problem but I have experienced something similar. In the public accounting profession I spend my time either directly at the cleint's place of business or in our office. The work performed is pretty much identical regardless of where it is being done. When in the office for an extended period of time I find myself getting in a rut of repitition. I am in the same desk, seeing the same people, eating at the same places for lunch. While the quality of my work isn't noticably affected I find that my mind wonders and my enthusiasm wains. However when I am out at the client I find that I am excited. I am meeting new people and like being "the outside auditor". As opposed to an auditor in an office full of auditors. Like I said its not the same thing but perhaps you are experiencing the same rut. I would think that as a pro you are proabaly known by most people and end falling in the same routine. I would speculate that when you began playing Poker there was a lot of feelings a newness & excitment of not knowing what will happen next. Perhaps going to a new Casino brings some of those feelings back for you. | ||
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| Re: Get me out of here!, Barry T, 11. Oct 2003 11:43 | ||
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| Hi, Angel: You are PLAYING a GAME. Unless you are a professional, then this is a hobby, like bowling or flying kites or fly fishing or something. If you are bored, tired, want to pet the dog, watch Friends, veg out, fine. Remember that 3 hours online is about the same number of hands a 6+ hours live in a cardroom. That is a lot of hands to play. If you are concentrating, you should get tired and lose efficiency about that time. Please relax, have fun and enjoy the game. If you decide you have to put in x hours per day, you will just burn yourself out and move on to another (less profitable)hobby. If you are a pro, post that. Then you need to develop a work ethic. BarryT | ||
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| Re: Barry T, Angel, 11. Oct 2003 11:54 | ||
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| Barry, Yes I'm a pro. But I wouldn't say I'm devoid of a work ethic. The trouble is not putting in hours - it's putting in hours at the home casino. What I'm considering is the possibility that everyone wanting/needing/demanding my attention there because they all know me/like me/are "friends" with me etc. is just really draining and I don't get that elsewhere as much. I don't know that this is it - I'm just speculating and was wondering if anyone else had gone through anything similar. | ||
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| Re: Barry T, Roy Cooke, 11. Oct 2003 19:15 | ||
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| Hi Angel Go through what you are going through with friends...Boy do I ever....I write a column and have sold MANY players their homes....I am constantly distracted when I go play poker at the Bellagio...And while I like many of the people who do distract me and are happy to see them...It is not what I came to the poker room to do./..Many people don't understand that they are distracting you and in your case it is your livelihood...You need to talk to your friends and let them know how you feel.....If they are truly your friends, they will understand and respect your need to "work"....Then you need to focus on your poker game. Life is Good :-) Roy Cooke on 11. Oct 2003 11:54 Angel wrote: > Barry, > > Yes I'm a pro. But I wouldn't say I'm devoid of a work ethic. The trouble is not > putting in hours - it's putting in hours at the home casino. What I'm considering is the > possibility that everyone wanting/needing/demanding my attention there because they all > know me/like me/are "friends" with me etc. is just really draining and I don't get that > elsewhere as much. I don't know that this is it - I'm just speculating and was wondering > if anyone else had gone through anything similar. | ||
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| Re: Get me out of here!, 4 POKER, 11. Oct 2003 14:22 | ||
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| Hi Angel, You say that you just can't put in the time at your home casino, but your heart just isn't there when you play at home, right? It sounds to me (though I'm just throwing some things your way really), that perhaps, you find the excitement/enjoyment, the interaction of poker.....is just not "there" enough for you when you're playing on-line. But what is stopping you from putting in more hours at your local casino? I know for myself, that playing in the same ol' place day in and day out sometimes gets to be a little too boring and "ruttish" (if you will), so what I do is, travel and play in all the casinos. Perhaps you need a little break from your usual hangout (and that's what it can become sometimes if you let it)....and go to other casinos. You live in LA, correct? Make the time (if you can) to play elsewhere, and make the visits to Vegas more frequently. If this is your livelyhood, then think about the ways that will benefit you.....the most. ($)! just a few thoughts. Let me know what yours are, if you care to......... | ||
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| Re: Get me out of here! 4P, Angel, 11. Oct 2003 14:43 | ||
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| Thanks for responding. I got into a little more detail in my response to Barry T below but it goes something like this. I live about 75 miles out of LA. Once a week I go up and spend the night and play 8 hours or so on each of the days (2 days 1 night). I get a room and play 4 four hour sessions over two days. No problem everything works out fine - I stop myself at four hours because I simply play better playing two fours rather than a straight eight - not because I'm sick of playing. I come home and go to my local casino and I'm there an hour and I want to go home. I don't want to be there. I suspect that it has something to do with the lack of anonymity - but was trying not to put that out there to see if anyone else suggested it - too late. :) | ||
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| Re: Get me out of here! 4P, 4 POKER, 11. Oct 2003 23:22 | ||
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| Hi Angel, Being able to keep your anonymity is a difficult task; even though it's something you desire. When you're in your workplace (and this being the poker room), it's just not possible to remain anonymous unless you were to constantly go from one poker room to the other. And we all know, there's only so many poker rooms we can go to! But I do understand what you're saying. You feel that your local cardroom has become a stopping ground for friendly conversation. Although it's not how "you" would like it to be; your friends/acquaintances/dealers/floormen/ etc., are probably pulling at you from every which way. They like you. They want to talk to you. They are bored with their jobs and feel the need to talk to a familiar and friendly face. They feel that they should be having conversations with "the regulars".... and I'm going to guess that you always let your friends rant about all of their poker hands, too...thus leaving you... the one that *everyone* comes to. Well that's all well and good, when you're not at your job. But when you 'are' trying to put in a decent work day, and one that is filled with all of your concentration (etc.)....that can become too overwhelming for "anyone" to deal with. (and you shouldn't have to). So what's the solution? Is there one? I think you can make it easier on yourself if you explain to these people that you need this time to focus on your work. They will understand that and respect that, if they care. This will not give you anonymity, but it will give you more space. Not only allowing you to put in more hours, but to keep your mind focused on what you came to do, and that's to play poker and make your living. The conversations can come after you put in your session as a wind-down period for you. And let's face it....the profession you chose to do is one in which you will "always" be dealing with people and because there is no boss.....noone can stop you (or your friends) from goofing off! Now this is going to sound a bit bizzare, but have you ever considered wearing sunglasses? I ask you this because I know this guy who is very well liked, he talks to many people and he's a regular player, BUT, when he goes to sit down in his game, he puts his sunglasses on and believe it or not...he is left alone! It kinda gives off the message that he doesn't want to be bothered now. I'm obsevant to this because we play together on a regular basis, and he is like a totally different person when he's at the table. He takes his job seriously and he doesn't let anyone prevent him from doing that. I don't know if this could solve your problem any, but it's just something I wanted to throw out there: ) Dave | ||
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| Re: Get me out of here! 4P, modestmice, 11. Oct 2003 23:31 | ||
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| good idea, 4P, but how bout a walkman? on 11. Oct 2003 23:22 4 POKER wrote: > Hi Angel, > > Being able to keep your anonymity is a difficult task; even though it's something you desire. > When you're in your workplace (and this being the poker room), it's just not possible to remain > anonymous unless you were to constantly go from one poker room to the other. And we all know, > there's only so many poker rooms we can go to! But I do understand what you're saying. You feel > that your local cardroom has become a stopping ground for friendly conversation. Although it's > not how "you" would like it to be; your friends/acquaintances/dealers/floormen/ etc., are > probably pulling at you from every which way. They like you. They want to talk to you. They are > bored with their jobs and feel the need to talk to a familiar and friendly face. They feel that > they should be having conversations with "the regulars".... and I'm going to guess that you > always let your friends rant about all of their poker hands, too...thus leaving you... the one > that *everyone* comes to. Well that's all well and good, when you're not at your job. But when > you 'are' trying to put in a decent work day, and one that is filled with all of your > concentration (etc.)....that can become too overwhelming for "anyone" to deal with. (and you > shouldn't have to). > > So what's the solution? Is there one? I think you can make it easier on yourself if you > explain to these people that you need this time to focus on your work. They will understand > that and respect that, if they care. This will not give you anonymity, but it will give you > more space. Not only allowing you to put in more hours, but to keep your mind focused on what > you came to do, and that's to play poker and make your living. The conversations can come after > you put in your session as a wind-down period for you. And let's face it....the profession you > chose to do is one in which you will "always" be dealing with people and because there is no > boss.....noone can stop you (or your friends) from goofing off! > > Now this is going to sound a bit bizzare, but have you ever considered wearing sunglasses? I > ask you this because I know this guy who is very well liked, he talks to many people and he's a > regular player, BUT, when he goes to sit down in his game, he puts his sunglasses on and > believe it or not...he is left alone! It kinda gives off the message that he doesn't want to be > bothered now. I'm obsevant to this because we play together on a regular basis, and he is like > a totally different person when he's at the table. He takes his job seriously and he doesn't > let anyone prevent him from doing that. I don't know if this could solve your problem any, but > it's just something I wanted to throw out there: ) > > Dave | ||
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| Re: Get me out of here! 4P, 4 POKER, 11. Oct 2003 23:47 | ||
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| Hi, Well for me personally, I don't like to wear a walkman while I'm playing but, I still think the idea is a good one because you can wear the walkman but not have it turned on! Ya see when I tried it out when I was in Vegas (because they don't allow you to wear them at my home casinos' in AC), I thought I would like to listen to music while I was at the table, but I found it to be kind of distracting and I felt that I was not a part of the game, which is something that I feel is important. But if it doesn't effect you, and/or you could wear it but not have it turned on, then I think it could very well give you more privacy. That's the signal (hint) I get when I see someone with a walkman. Do you get the same impression? | ||
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| Re: Get me out of here! 4P, modestmice, 12. Oct 2003 00:19 | ||
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| totally. i dont do it, but i could do it. im a multi tasker and perhaps in some ways its good not to hear th bs thats going on sometimes. u could just not have it on. nothing says leave me alone more. on 11. Oct 2003 23:47 4 POKER wrote: > Hi, > > Well for me personally, I don't like to wear a walkman while I'm playing but, I still think the idea is > a good one because you can wear the walkman but not have it turned on! Ya see when I tried it out when I > was in Vegas (because they don't allow you to wear them at my home casinos' in AC), I thought I would > like to listen to music while I was at the table, but I found it to be kind of distracting and I felt > that I was not a part of the game, which is something that I feel is important. But if it doesn't effect > you, and/or you could wear it but not have it turned on, then I think it could very well give you more > privacy. That's the signal (hint) I get when I see someone with a walkman. Do you get the same > impression? | ||
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| Re: Get me out of here! 4P, Angel, 12. Oct 2003 00:45 | ||
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| Dave, Thanks - I'll grab some glasses on the way to work. :) Seriously though, I'll give it a try. I think that I cause alot of the problems myself to tell the truth. I only have one person at the casino that I see outside of the club (re: friend) and he would never think about distracting me while I'm playing - but am over the top friendly at the table - very outgoing. People like to play with me - they think I'm alot of fun. Then I go home - kick the fish and hide in the closet for 2 hours detoxing from the overdose of human interaction. That type of outgoing personality - even if it is contrived, is helpful in many ways. For instance, tables that grumble when someone less successful than I sits down are calling me over to their table to play. And so I've nurtured such a personality - things like browsing the web for poker jokes before a session so I can drop it at an apropos moment - like when the table is beginning to get too serious and stop having fun. I think maybe I need more frequent vacations....nah - I'll probably end up on a poker cruise. It sounded like you understood though - and that was helpful in and of itself. Thanks. PS - I said I had 1 friend at the club - wouldn't want it said that I don't like these other people, some of them I like very much - I just keep to self and family when I can and am a lot quieter and introverted than any of them would ever believe. | ||
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| Re: Get me out of here! 4P, 4 POKER, 12. Oct 2003 01:38 | ||
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| Angel, It sounds to me that you've also got your outgoing ways 'working' in your favor (money-wise, and that is what you're there for). You are selling yourself (in a positive way, of course) for others to want to play with you. That's great! But okay, because of that, you lose some of the mysterious side of yourself (the anonymity) when you're there, the side of you that you wish you could have more of, right?.......but you really gain so much more by just being....you. It works for you, and it will continue to work for you as long as it doesn't interfere with your focus; and I can see now, that it hasn't. (and you know the old saying Angel, "If it's not broken..........") Dave P.s. I understand "your" p.s.........perfectly:) and I enjoy this kinda stuff so thank you for posting your thoughts. If it can help you, I, or anyone else (even in the smallest degree).......than it is worth talking about. And hey, if you want to go on a poker cruise.....then do it. You enjoy your profession, what's wrong with that?.........nothing! Just keep your life balanced with family. (this p.s. is getting rather long !!) lol! | ||
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