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 Overplaying Hands, Numie, 11. Oct 2003 10:50 | ||
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| This is a problem I've been having lately both on-line and in home games. I'll have a decent hand and make a bet. Then there will be huge raises and re-raises which will cause me to fold my pretty good hand. Then when the hands are revealed I'll find out that my pretty good would have won the huge pot, but didn't because my opponents had all overplayed their hands. Example: I get dealt AK of diamonds in a NL game. I raise and get two callers. The flop comes Ac Qh 7h. I bet, the first caller raises an amount that would put me almost all-in, the second caller calls, and I fold figuring I'm up against a set, a flush draw, or atleast 2-pair. At the showdown the first caller shows A10 and the second caller shows AJ. The AJ takes down the huge pot and I'm left hating myself for folding. What should I do in situations like this? Thanks in advance for your help. | ||
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| Re: Overplaying Hands, Blade, 11. Oct 2003 11:23 | ||
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| I take two approaches here. #1. I fold anything marginal even though it may the winner. I find that this induces the same behavior over and over again. I then wait until I have a very strong hand AA w/ A on the flop..ect and then when the same overplay happens I get payed of big time. These players tend to be the type that can't accept that someone has their A4 beat. Note it is important to play you AA & AJ the same preflop here so you don't tip off that you have a stronger hand. #2. I make note of which players will overplay what hands. For example in the 2-4 NL game in which I play there is one player "Shark" (you couldn't make these things up) that will play every A and if there is another A on the board he will not fold even to an all in. I then when I have AJ or higher will make a strong bet to isolate this player and then take my chances that I have him beat which I will 11 out of 13 times. | ||
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| Re: Overplaying Hands, Barry T, 11. Oct 2003 11:52 | ||
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| HI. This happens in limit hold'em, and more so on the internet, where some people seem to like to bet a lot with a little. Sometimes you cannot help yourself. You will just have to lay down a winner. Other times you will stay to the bitter end, and kick yourself for calling all those bets when you were drawing nearly dead. I find it better to make the laydowns. Unless I know the players (and I have started to take notes about players overplaying their hands for this reason), I am better off getting out early with a questionable holding. You will still make money, as these folks wil also overplay their hands when you have an excellent hand that will punish them. For reference, here is a hand: I raise UTG with JJ. Player on my immediate left (NP) calls as does small blind. We are three handed. FLop is QQ3. SB checks, I bet, NP raises, SB calls, I call. Turn is a 3 (QQ33). SB bets out! I muck, obviously,and NP calls. River is a 4. SB bets. NP calls. SB shows A-4. It wins!! BarryT | ||
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| Re: Overplaying Hands, noiseboy, 13. Oct 2003 12:20 | ||
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| Whenever this happens, make a note of which players do this. Then the next time you play with them, be more liberal about what kickers you call with against those specific players who go all in with A+marginal kicker. There are certain players I might call all the way down to AJ, even though against most decent players I would lay down AK in the same situation. You need to know who the crazies are and you need to call more liberally against them. I saw this one guy in a major tournament go all-in at the final table with a measly pair of TT's AFTER the flop came with an A. He was second chip position and going against the chip leader. The chip leader was a really good reader (which was how he got there with quite a few of my chips) and called the all-in with an AJ since he knew the other guy was a bit of a maniac. I thought that was one of the worst bets I've seen in a big tourney, probably cost him about ten grand since he could've just coasted into second. It was also one of the best calls I've seen, he didn't even hesitate with his AJ, for well over 60% of his chips. That hand put him about 10-1, so he easily got first place. Anyway, the moral of the story is KNOW YOUR PLAYERS! Hope this helps! | ||
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