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 Power Poker, Blade, 10. Oct 2003 14:31 | ||
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| I have been giving my playing style of thought in the last few weeks and have determined that I excel at what I call power poker. My definition of power poker can basically be summed up as the following "when I can do battle in a hand with the confidence that allows me to be extremely aggressive. At the same time I feel like atleast at this point in time I am a marginal player when I am in hands that require caution. To furhter illustrate I will give you an example of a hand. I have QJo on the botton. UTG calls fold around to me I call BB checks. Flop comes 5Q5. A good flop for me. UTG bets. He has semi loose starting hand requirements so Q9 or even Q8 not out of the question but neither is A5s. I call (mistake?) and bb calls. turn in blank. UTG bets, I raise to get heads up. BB folds. UTG calls. River is K. UTH checks. I bet (mistake?) UTG calls. UTG shows AQ and takes down the pot. The result of the hand is not as important as the resulting post reflection. (In honor of srendi) During the hand I felt like an antelope roaming the plains of Africa hoping to find some grass to fill my stomach. but nervous about a Lion waiting to pounce. I believe this was caused by my ill feelings towards marginal starting hands such as qj, kj...... Convesley I have noticed that I excel when playing with powerful. Obviously anyone is going to see better monetary results with the higher ranking starting hands but in addition I find that it allows me to be much more aggresive resulting in either larger pots or stolen pots. I would like to get thoughts on a playing strategy that used does not use marginal hands (KJo and down) as well as no suited connectors below J10, and no Axs below A10. The remaining hands would then pretty much all be played regardless of position. Note that one result of this would that almost all I hands I enter I am doing so with a raise. I know this most likely appears simple but I do think it has some not as obvious ramifications. For example while playing only power hands usually results in less action, could the propensity for to enter a pot by raising actually result in more action as my raises would be discounted. Remember many times I will not hit the flop so I will be raising preflop followed byt a fold post flop. (5-10 game with 40% players seeing flop) Perhaps I will get less action and after a few showdowns in which I always have the best hand, could this lead to me being able to steal pots in which I miss the flop, with a turn bet. Could the above conditions make up for the lost profit caused by playing fewer hands? Thought? | ||
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| Re: Power Poker, ReMMy, 10. Oct 2003 14:43 | ||
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| I often play marginal hands on the button and often get burned, but you can also take down a lot of hands simply because of position. I would have raised the flop, my reasoning is that I want to find out what people are holding when my 2 bets are reasonable cheap. Had you raised the flop, BB would have folded, and UTG would have called. I would then probably bet the turn, and if called, check the river. This will at least minimize the amount of money you lose when you don't have the winning hand, and keep you from getting really knocked around when one of them actually has trips... | ||
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| Re: Power Poker, Blade, 10. Oct 2003 14:50 | ||
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| I absolutely agree with your take on the hand. In was extremely poor play on my part brought on I believe in part by my difficulty in playing these marginal hands. | ||
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| Re: Power Poker, ReMMy, 10. Oct 2003 15:12 | ||
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| Oh yah, 1 more suggestion... Stop playing 5/10 until your comfortable playing all the hands your in. Not sure what your bankroll and experience is, but it sounds like you might wanna iron out some more in depth strategy in the 1/2 games etc... | ||
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| Re: Power Poker, modestmice, 11. Oct 2003 03:40 | ||
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| thats really funny you should say that, caus instead of going to a lower limit, he his going pro!! lol on 10. Oct 2003 15:12 ReMMy wrote: > Oh yah, 1 more suggestion... > > Stop playing 5/10 until your comfortable playing all the hands your in. Not sure > what your bankroll and experience is, but it sounds like you might wanna iron out > some more in depth strategy in the 1/2 games etc... | ||
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| Re: Power Poker, modestmice, 11. Oct 2003 03:43 | ||
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| btw, im not laughing at blade, its just funny remmy is saying to go to 1-2, and Blade just posted that he is turning pro.... :) on 11. Oct 2003 03:40 modestmice wrote: > thats really funny you should say that, caus instead of going to a lower limit, he his > going pro!! > lol > > on 10. Oct 2003 15:12 ReMMy wrote: > > Oh yah, 1 more suggestion... > > > > Stop playing 5/10 until your comfortable playing all the hands your in. Not sure > > what your bankroll and experience is, but it sounds like you might wanna iron out > > some more in depth strategy in the 1/2 games etc... | ||
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| Re: Power Poker, ReMMy, 11. Oct 2003 09:01 | ||
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| I noticed that as well and found it slightly amusing. But if he's making money even though he has trouble w/ marginal hands, and he's aware of that problem and working to fix it, I'm sure he'll be fine. Also he's doing what I plan on doing in the next 2 to 3 years so mad props! | ||
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| Re: Power Poker, Blade, 11. Oct 2003 11:08 | ||
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| I am making money but at the same time if you notice I will not be dependant on Poker for living expenses. | ||
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| Re: Power Poker, noiseboy, 15. Oct 2003 09:53 | ||
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| If you want to make it as a pro, I suggest that in the beginning you stay away from the trouble hands in all but the best situations. In tourneys, I like the two big unsuited hands like KJ mainly when a bunch of people have already folded and I come in for a raise. I don't like them multi-way at all unless they are suited or if I'm short stacked and don't think I'll see anything better. Also in the beginning, stay away from AT and AJ, KJ and maybe even KQ UTG, especially in aggressive games. Just play big pairs, 99s or better, AQ and AK UTG and come in for a raise with all of them. In middle position, just add the marginal hands when you know its a good situation for them. Only play smaller pairs and suited Ax when several people are in, only play big offsuit cards when very few people are in. In LP and on the button, add suited connectors if there are a lot of limpers and no raise. Just keep it simple in the beginning and you should win with fewer fluctuations. In loose games you won't be maximizing EV, but as you get used to very loose games, you'll start to know by instinct what hands to loosen up with before the flop, assuming that you are tighter post-flop. Until you have the bankroll for it, you really don't need to be out there skating on thin ice. Anyway, good luck! | ||
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| Re: Power Poker, modestmice, 11. Oct 2003 16:09 | ||
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| lol, gl to both of yous on 11. Oct 2003 09:01 ReMMy wrote: > I noticed that as well and found it slightly amusing. But if he's making money even though he has > trouble w/ marginal hands, and he's aware of that problem and working to fix it, I'm sure he'll be > fine. > > Also he's doing what I plan on doing in the next 2 to 3 years so mad props! | ||
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| Re: Power Poker, Schuster, 10. Oct 2003 16:31 | ||
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| It seems to me as though the simpler, and probably more profitable solution would be to get better at handling yourself in marginal situations. You're proposing that since you don't know how to play these marginal situations, you should just avoid them. I'm somewhat reminded of Phil Hellmuth's "top ten hands" strategy. Raise like crazy with them and fold everything else. Sure, it will get the money, but I think we can all agree that there is more money to be had playing more hands than just the top ten. I'm reminded of Sredni's post about "Shania". It bears a lot of relevance here. If you only raise with "power hands" then soon your opponents will notice and give you less action. But say in addition to the "power hands" you added a hand like 87s, a hand like 66, and a hand like 73o. "Shania" may very well increase due to the addition of weaker hands, which by themselves, may or may not even be profitable. It depends on the game, but it's an almost certainty that 73o won't be profitable. Reread his post, hopefully this will all make sense. Try to avoid the "quick fix" and keep working at your game Blade, I think you'll be better off in the long run, and that what it's all about, right? Lee | ||
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| Re: Power Poker, noiseboy, 15. Oct 2003 09:40 | ||
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| The key to the first hand is that you shouldn't get involved with QJ when the one person coming in is UTG. If his position is mid or late and he is first in, you know he might not have a great hand. Anyway, in this case you might consider raising to knock out the blinds (get the dead money in) and hopefully get heads up with position, especially if it is a player you have confidence that you can outplay after the flop. Or you could just fold if it's a good player that you don't want to mess with. What you are saying about power poker works well in tight games and in the late stages of tournaments. Pretty much in tournaments I play tight, but try to win almost every pot I play if at all possible. If somebody plays back when I'm playing that aggressive, it really means something so then I back off. Where I don't think it works as well is in loose LL games. Where the main faults of your opponents is that they call too much and play too passive when they have a hand, I think you can come in with a lot more hands and use the "fit or fold" approach after the flop. Aggression still has value, especially to get free cards when drawing, or to bet and raise when you have odds, but I usually don't try to win the pots that I'm not supposed to in a loose game. | ||
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| Re: Power Poker, LJH, 15. Oct 2003 09:49 | ||
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| DEAR BLADE, I THINK YOU NEED MORE POKER AND READING BOOKS TILL YOU CAN PLAY REAL POWER POKER. LJH | ||
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