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 Limping rockets, Flatout_Mainiac, 10. Oct 2003 11:20 | ||
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| Recently, I have been on the loosing end of a number of hands where the winner limped in with pocket rockets. Now I have also noticed that the 2/4 games on party has increased in skill where i don't see so many chasers and I see a lot better play. Is there a concept in regards to limping in with big pockets that I missing? Did I miss the office memo on this? Because it sure works against me when I think my hand is good only to see the pot slide the wrong way on the felt when my opponent shows his aces. | ||
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| Re: Limping rockets, shorn, 10. Oct 2003 12:47 | ||
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| I don't think you missed anything on strategy. This is generally a poor way to play AA in limit games as it invites a freak str8 or smaller two pair to beat you for 1 bet. The only time that I will do this is if I am getting little to no action on my raises in a tighter game and therefore in order to get a pot with 3 people in it, I will limp from EP. If there are 4 to 5 people in every pot, I want to make sure that when I hiut a good board with rockets tat I win a big big pot. The only way to ensure that is to raise. | ||
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| Re: Limping rockets, Blue Sky, 10. Oct 2003 13:05 | ||
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| Although I have heard arguments about limping in with the best possible hand pre-flop I cannot understand anyone doing it from any position. If your not getting any action on a tight table with big pocket pairs then you have to be observant enough to take the next step and start raising with hands such as suited connectors and the like. A couple of times of doing this and the other players respect of your raising standards will be out the door and your back in action. One of the key arguments I hear from people about not raising pre-flop with AA is because "I have lost the last 3 times I have raised with them" or "no one here respects raises anyways." Well damn glad to see you take down a $20 pot when it should of been a $60 pot ,very proud of you. The pro side of raising with them is that thier winning percentage goes down vs. more players. Heads up your a 85% favorite vs. 9 handed your only a 31% favorite...raise away and eliminate the marginal calling hands that make foolsih calls and get their to take your pot. | ||
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| Re: Limping rockets, Blade, 10. Oct 2003 14:33 | ||
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| The only time I limp in with AA. Is either when I am on the SB and only the BB remains. This is usually follewed by me checking the flop to induce a bet and then raising. | ||
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| Re: Limping rockets, modestmice, 10. Oct 2003 18:46 | ||
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| yeah, i will do that too... on 10. Oct 2003 14:33 Blade wrote: > The only time I limp in with AA. Is either when I am on the SB and only the BB remains. > This is usually follewed by me checking the flop to induce a bet and then raising. | ||
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| Re: Limping rockets, Rich P., 10. Oct 2003 18:09 | ||
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| I'll answer the real question posted here. I don't play for money on line. I play in local casinos, but the response still applies. The question really should be: why are you getting burned by this strategy. You thought you were good, because your opponent didn't raise. You couldn't put him on a hand. I you could you would have folded. So by limping with rockets, the player decieved you and you bet his hand. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that limping with AA is correct. I'm simply saying that you need to be aware of that posibility. I know its not easy. You must identify those who will limp with big pairs. In other words, identify the rocks. A rock is tight passive. Once you identify a rock, you have to use caution when in a hand with the rock. On the other hand, take advantage of his mistake and limp with drawing hands to see if you hit the flop. In other words, if a rock gives you a free ride, take it! Then, if the rock bets, you know you have to fold. In sum, be more observant. Identify the rocks, just like you identify the maniacs and the calling stations. If you are a little more observant, you may not find yourself being decieved as often. | ||
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| Re: Limping rockets, Flatout_Mainiac, 11. Oct 2003 02:43 | ||
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| Thanks for pointing this out as is went into good use last night. Sometimes it is difficult to recognize those rocks out there because they never captian a table and generally stay under my radar...but no longer. Last night i'm dealt AQ and get a nice board with AQXXX and I pumped the pot for every cent I could get in there. A guy who just joined the table less than 5 minutes before never lead into me and call every bet or raise cold. He flips over Aces. The rest of the night I played accordingly with him in the pot and definitely won a few extra big bet as I actually made a few plays that I probably would have passed on if I had not put the guy on that style of play. | ||
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| Re: Limping rockets, Bungus, 11. Oct 2003 22:00 | ||
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| Actually, thats a horrible post. The player you describe is not a rock, he's a calling station. | ||
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| Re: Limping rockets, modestmice, 11. Oct 2003 22:14 | ||
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| der, good catch, im dickslickic, so i switched the 2. u are correct, the player in question is weak passive, which is a calling station, not a rock. aside from that error it is a good post. u should always be looking for players patterns, and this player with AA limping might have already displayed his type. thats why its a good post to me, not horrible. on 11. Oct 2003 22:00 Bungus wrote: > Actually, thats a horrible post. The player you describe is not a rock, he's a calling > station. | ||
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| Re: Limping rockets, Flatout_Mainiac, 12. Oct 2003 04:31 | ||
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| Nah Rich was right he was a rock, just on that particular hand he played it more like a call station (though come to think of it, he might of lead out on the river)....He would toss out a raise on the river on occassion and fold flop or turn if he had nothing. He had good starting requirements and he didn't call every bet, but if he was there at the river he had the nuts or near nuts. So that it my understanding of a rock I should have been more descriptive of the players tendancies in my original post. | ||
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| Re: Limping rockets, modestmice, 12. Oct 2003 06:31 | ||
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| so its not a "horrible" post then? lol on 12. Oct 2003 04:31 Flatout_Mainiac wrote: > Nah Rich was right he was a rock, just on that particular hand he played it more like a call station > (though come to think of it, he might of lead out on the river)....He would toss out a raise on the > river on occassion and fold flop or turn if he had nothing. He had good starting requirements and he > didn't call every bet, but if he was there at the river he had the nuts or near nuts. So that it my > understanding of a rock > > I should have been more descriptive of the players tendancies in my original post. | ||
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| Re: Limping rockets, modestmice, 11. Oct 2003 03:16 | ||
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| excellent post on 10. Oct 2003 18:09 Rich P. wrote: > I'll answer the real question posted here. I don't play for money on line. I play > in local casinos, but the response still applies. > > The question really should be: why are you getting burned by this strategy. You > thought you were good, because your opponent didn't raise. You couldn't put him on a > hand. I you could you would have folded. So by limping with rockets, the player > decieved you and you bet his hand. > > Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that limping with AA is correct. I'm simply > saying that you need to be aware of that posibility. I know its not easy. You must > identify those who will limp with big pairs. In other words, identify the rocks. > > A rock is tight passive. Once you identify a rock, you have to use caution when in > a hand with the rock. On the other hand, take advantage of his mistake and limp with > drawing hands to see if you hit the flop. In other words, if a rock gives you a free > ride, take it! Then, if the rock bets, you know you have to fold. > > In sum, be more observant. Identify the rocks, just like you identify the maniacs > and the calling stations. If you are a little more observant, you may not find > yourself being decieved as often. | ||
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