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 Playing suited Ace-Garbage. Bad Poker?, mrbippy, 9. Oct 2003 13:35 | ||
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| Is it bad poker to play Ax suited from middle to late position. Usually if I am dealt this and I'm in a middle to late position and there are a few limpers before me and little fear of a raise behind I will see a flop. If I Flush or four Flush Ill play if not I dump em. Heck sometimes Ill hit trips and play (cautiously). Also from the BB again if its limped around. Looking for some validation or criticism. I was chastised by an opponent for playing "crap" Mr.B | ||
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| Re: Playing suited Ace-Garbage. Bad Poker?, Blue Sky, 9. Oct 2003 14:18 | ||
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| Sounds to me like you played this hand and won and your opponent went off...its going to happen no matter the hands you play, live with it. Take their money let them think you play bad and run them over again. I love to play Axs. My criteria for this hand is to only play Axs down to 9 or maybe an 8 as the x from EP if I believe I can limp in. In middle and late position I play Axs with x = every kicker. I prefer to see at least 3 or more limpers ahead of me. I feel that this is a hand that you have to flop four to a flush to make profitable and you have to know this going in and remember it after the flop. Ace bad kicker is not a good hand get away from it as soon as you can. (don't read my post above, I made a read on a player and although it didn't turn out the way I expected it to I still won a giant hand.) Generally this hand is a great hand because you can flop four to a flush and if you miss you still have an opportunity to catch the Ace on the turn or river and possibly win. Notice I said to catch an Ace on the turn or river, not the flop! If you think Axs is a trash hand I would probably blow your mind by playing Kxs down to maybe an 8 or 9 from M & LP and even Qxs down to an 8 from LP if I can limp in with out fearing a raise behind me. These can be very profitable hands in the right situation. You must pump the flop if you flop four to a flush and get out of the way when you miss simple as that. | ||
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| Re: Playing suited Ace-Garbage. Bad Poker?, noiseboy, 9. Oct 2003 15:55 | ||
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| Not crap in mutliway pots. Even if you don't flop the flush, there are trips, two pair, two pair plus gutshot, and made str8s that can be profitable as well. I especially like to flop two pair, because I often find that I have AK thru AT trapped into calling me down to the river. Another thing is when you pair your x, you often will be getting proper odds to take one card off and try to make trips or two pair, but ONLY if there won't be a raise behind you. Also, there are times when an A comes and your x is good. But you have to read your players well in order to be able to know when to laydown or when to continue. For instance, if you end up heads-up with another player after pairing your A, what do you know about that player? If you realize that he ALWAYS raises with AK-AJ from MP for instance, you may be able to determine whether the kicker is good or not. It's best to be very conservative with this hand when all you flop is an A, but against a tricky player who bets his underpairs and a board without any likely draws, I might call it down. It depends. ;) | ||
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| Re: Playing suited Ace-Garbage. Bad Poker?, MozMan, 9. Oct 2003 19:53 | ||
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| Depends a lot on the table, and the texture of the game. There are some games where I play AXs a lot because the pots are always multi-way, and I always get paid off when I make a hand. Other games, I tend to stay away from it because I can't get enough action to make it worth while. I almost never play it out of EP (except the blinds), and most frequently in LP, when I know there are a lot of callers and can see how many of them call again if one of the blinds raises after me. Now, if it's no suited, that's a little different. Then you are really playing only the Ace, and anything smaller than a 9 or 8 is poison. Also, here's a caveat that most people know, but rarely consider: A5 is better that A6, A2 is better than A7... it's not much of a difference, but if you are going to give any thought to playing Ace-trash, it is something you must be aware of. -Moz "The more you ignore me, the closer I get. You're wasting your time." | ||
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| Re: Playing suited Ace-Garbage. Bad Poker?, Snorbolus, 10. Oct 2003 05:24 | ||
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| > most people know, but rarely consider: A5 is better that A6, A2 is better than A7... Quoting from Gary Carson in an old thread on RGP "yes because for some reason 5 flops more often than 6..." Gary is very rude in his posts (on reason I could never bring myself to buy his book), nevertheless I think that he makes a good point. Don't even think about the straight possibility of A 2-5, it is very rare (always inside draws), and never to the nuts. Snorbolus on 9. Oct 2003 19:53 MozMan wrote: > Depends a lot on the table, and the texture of the game. There are some games where I > play AXs a lot because the pots are always multi-way, and I always get paid off when > I make a hand. Other games, I tend to stay away from it because I can't get enough > action to make it worth while. > > I almost never play it out of EP (except the blinds), and most frequently in LP, > when I know there are a lot of callers and can see how many of them call again if one > of the blinds raises after me. > > Now, if it's no suited, that's a little different. Then you are really playing only > the Ace, and anything smaller than a 9 or 8 is poison. Also, here's a caveat that > most people know, but rarely consider: A5 is better that A6, A2 is better than A7... > it's not much of a difference, but if you are going to give any thought to playing > Ace-trash, it is something you must be aware of. > > -Moz > > "The more you ignore me, the closer I get. You're wasting your time." | ||
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| Re: Playing suited Ace-Garbage. Bad Poker?, noiseboy, 10. Oct 2003 08:53 | ||
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| I totally agree that A5 or even A4 is probably better than A6, however, A7 better than A2? I'm not so sure. I will sometimes play A7 if it's been folded around to me on the button and will only be against one or two opponents with position. Due to the steal possibility, I would raise in this situation. If an A comes on the flop, and I'm heads up against the BB, I'd much rather have A7 than A2. I suppose it's situational though, because multiway pots add value to the str8 draw possibility of A2. | ||
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| Re: Playing suited Ace-Garbage. Bad Poker?, LJH, 10. Oct 2003 07:06 | ||
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| MRBIPPY. NOTHING WRONG WITH THE PLAY IF YOU GET IN CHEAP, AND DO NOT HANG AROUND IF YOU MISS ON THE FLUSH. PROBLEM IS WHAT YOU DO IF AN ACE FLOPS. LJH | ||
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