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 Big Slick NL Play - Did I make the right moves here?, mroban, 9. Oct 2003 10:45 | ||
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| So I am in a NL sng a few nights ago at UB and this hand came up. Its early in the game (10-20 blinds) and I am on the button. I am dealt Big Slick. 2 limpers ahead of me and I make a pot sized raise of 110. The SB flat calls my raise (I think she is a decent player but hard to tell so early), BB folds, first limper folds 2nd limper flat calls. The flop comes JhKsTh (I have no hearts, As). SB bets out 360. Clearly she could have AQ but if she had the nuts, I think she would have checkraised. So I put her on KQ with a flush draw (although I personally would not have called a raise preflop with KQ suited or not). I decide I am ahead here and flat call. The turn comes Ad. I have 2 pair. She bets out 1110 putting me allin (she had a bigger stack by virtue of winning a huge hand on the first or second hand). I call with no hesitation. She flips over AJ to my AK. River is a blank. I win a huge pot. Obviously this worked out great, but the question is whether or not calling on the flop was the right play. I think it was. I am not sure she calls an allin bet right there and I had to be worried about straight. But since I put her on KQ, the Ace should have caused me to fold right? Again, her aggressive play made me then think the Ace helped her and that she either had AK and we were going to split the pot (that is what I was thinking) or she had AJ or AT. If she had made the straight I figured she might have checked and bet the river since I called on the flop. Anyway, I just wasnt going to fold my top two pair there. I admit, I thought I had a 50-50 chance of being knocked out right there and I am not sure if my logic was right. I think the best play would be a re-raise on the flop. If she had the straight, she would go allin right there otherwise she would just flat call (or fold). A flat call would be a brilliant slowplay though! But most players would probably (I think) reraise allin with the nuts in that spot. Thoughts? | ||
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| Re: Big Slick NL Play - Did I make the right moves here?, KJo, 9. Oct 2003 13:33 | ||
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| Stack sizes would be helpful here. A reraise on the flop would likely be a good idea. I can see her making the bet she made on the flop with QQ as well, but I can also see AQ- since there was 2 to a flush on the board, she didn't want to risk giving free cards but also wanted to keep you in the pot at an expensive price. Bottom line is with that size bet on the flop (over 3x the pre-flop raise), betting into a raiser, etc. she's either strong or scared. You've got to tell her which she should be and take control of the hand. If you had reraised her on the flop, she either would have had to go all in there or fold, and she wouldn't have gone all in with AJ. The Ace on the turn would absolutely petrify me, but it should have petrified her as well since your flat call on the flop indicated either a weak hand (that could easily be QQ) or a slow-played monster like AQ. She seemed to have a decent read on you and expected you to lay down. So all the potential problems here IMO could be solved by a reraise on the flop and hope to hell that you don't have to see the turn with that board. Eli on 9. Oct 2003 10:45 mroban wrote: > So I am in a NL sng a few nights ago at UB and this hand came up. Its early in > the game (10-20 blinds) and I am on the button. I am dealt Big Slick. 2 > limpers ahead of me and I make a pot sized raise of 110. The SB flat calls my > raise (I think she is a decent player but hard to tell so early), BB folds, > first limper folds 2nd limper flat calls. > > The flop comes JhKsTh (I have no hearts, As). SB bets out 360. Clearly she > could have AQ but if she had the nuts, I think she would have checkraised. So I > put her on KQ with a flush draw (although I personally would not have called a > raise preflop with KQ suited or not). I decide I am ahead here and flat > call. > > The turn comes Ad. I have 2 pair. She bets out 1110 putting me allin (she had > a bigger stack by virtue of winning a huge hand on the first or second hand). I > call with no hesitation. She flips over AJ to my AK. River is a blank. I win > a huge pot. > > Obviously this worked out great, but the question is whether or not calling on > the flop was the right play. I think it was. I am not sure she calls an allin > bet right there and I had to be worried about straight. But since I put her on > KQ, the Ace should have caused me to fold right? Again, her aggressive play > made me then think the Ace helped her and that she either had AK and we were > going to split the pot (that is what I was thinking) or she had AJ or AT. > > If she had made the straight I figured she might have checked and bet the river > since I called on the flop. > > Anyway, I just wasnt going to fold my top two pair there. I admit, I thought I > had a 50-50 chance of being knocked out right there and I am not sure if my > logic was right. > > I think the best play would be a re-raise on the flop. If she had the > straight, she would go allin right there otherwise she would just flat call (or > fold). A flat call would be a brilliant slowplay though! But most players > would probably (I think) reraise allin with the nuts in that spot. > > Thoughts? | ||
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| Re: Big Slick NL Play - Did I make the right moves here?, mroban, 9. Oct 2003 14:07 | ||
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| Totally agree...I got away with one there. But ironically, my flat call encouraged here aggression (I think) on the turn. If she thought I was a tight player that would lay down a reraise she also has to give me credit for something decent to raise with preflop. So she cant really put me on anything worse than QQ at that point and its just as likely for me to have AK, AQ, JJ or TT. So with AJ I really don't know what she was hoping to accomplish there. But for me, you are right. A re-raise on the flop would have answered those questions for me right there. A call would have terrified me and I might have laid down a reraise on the flop (also fearing KJ as unlikely as that may be). I may have forgot to mention that she had a very nice stack even though it was early b/c of an earlier allin she won. So she had about double my stack. | ||
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