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 Trying to steal the limp-ins, Blue Sky, 8. Oct 2003 16:08 | ||
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| Let me start by saying that I am not a normal tournament or NL player...I play limit poker and sometimes even win a few bucks. Recently i was on a road trip with a friend and we came acrross an Indian Reservation Casino that was strarting a $30 buy-in NL Tournament...My buddy loves to play tournies so I decided to jump in and kill some time instead of just waiting for him to bust out. (this was only the 2nd time I have ever played NL.) My basic mindset was to jump in and see how far I could go with out any re-buys, I wanted to save my bankroll for limit play later that night. I was holding my own and had just went through the 1st table consilidation and was moved to a new table where I didn't have any reads on anyone and of course vice versa but I was comming to the table with a larger then the rest of the other players stack of chips. I was on the button approx. 4 hands into my table change and watched as 3 early position players limped in after the blinds with everyone else folding to me. I beleive the blinds were some where around the range of $300, $600 but I cannot remember exactly. I went all in with approx. $6600 with a 23o....I thought everyone would fold and I would steal the blinds and limpers chips! Well, long story short everyone folded to the last limper who called with a much smaller stack then I had. He showed over pocket Q's and the flop helped neither of us...I hit runner runner 3's to win. I know I got lucky, real lucky, but I wanted to get everyone's opinion of my steal move....Is this something you would try from the button after everyone only limped in? | ||
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| Re: Trying to steal the limp-ins, ReMMy, 8. Oct 2003 16:31 | ||
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| A steal is always a good move if you're pretty sure you'll get away with it, however I believe many people suggest you at least have a hand w/ a decent possibility of coming off a winner if you are called. Ace rag, suited connectors maybe? I'd stay away from that move w/ no reads on anyone even w/ a decent hand.... | ||
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| Re: Trying to steal the limp-ins, timmer, 8. Oct 2003 16:35 | ||
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| trying to bluff the field is never a good idea. | ||
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| Re: Trying to steal the limp-ins, jaustin, 8. Oct 2003 16:36 | ||
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| I'm also a limit player trying to learn NL, but will offer my 2 cents. Often, players limp with a top hand in hopes of trapping someone who will see the bigger pot and get greedy. This doesn't mean you should never try to steal with limper, just you should be more carefull. If you're going to try it, don't risk your whole stack. In your situation, the pot is 2700 which is what I'd bet - anyone without a top hand should fold and if you get re-raised you can be pretty sure they were trapping and safely fold. For a risky move like this, I would wait for a time when you had a better read on your opponents. Also, three limper is too many for my taste - I generally like to try this only with one (or maybe two). | ||
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| Re: Trying to steal the limp-ins, mroban, 9. Oct 2003 07:17 | ||
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| Blue, note I am not an expert but have had some success in the past year in NL tourneys. A "bread and butter" move for me is to raise limpers but not with an allin raise like you did. Lots of good players will limp with KK or QQ from early position and try to trap players doing exactly what you did. While I probably wouldn't do this with 23os (there are probably better spots to try this with) if you have a good stack and can bully a bit, its a nice way to pick up a small pot uncontested (if they all fold). If you get called, obviously you need to get away from that hand real fast if you don't hit the flop hard (which you cannot do if you push allin). I am assuming that your raise bought you the button and that you had position throughout the hand. This is a major advantage. If you miss the flop and your opponents check to you, you can take another card off to try and make a draw or hit your hand (in this case you made a 3). But remember, that lots of players will limp in with QQ or KK and even AA and then slowplay the flop if it comes ragged (or especially if they hit their set). So if you make this play and miss the flop completely, dont let yourself get trapped by making a bet if they pass to you on the flop (especially if the flop has paint). Its not worth it. You raised as a bluff and were called, so the hand is basically over unless you got lucky and connected. Here, you went all in (I think) on the flop which I definitely would not advise. Why put all your chips in here? You can make a bet that is 3x or 4x the BB and that will make a weak limper fold his hand (typically). Why risk all your chips with 23os? Thats (again, IMHO) way too aggressive. An observant player will just fold and then will limp with AA or KK and try to trap you later because he knows you might make that play. You will see that player limp again and assume you can get him to fold. So just be careful making that play against better players. You will get creamed with that move eventually. Also, the problem with going allin is that unless you always raise allin, this will become a tell that good players will pick up on. So at least make sure you raise allin with KK or AA so you don't get pegged as a player who will make big raises with weaker hands and tries to trap with your bigger hands. If you always make the same 3x or 4x blind raise (or a pot sized raise), nobody will ever be able to know if its a bluff raise or if you have a monster. Again Blue, not an expert but I have a fair amount of experience in this area. | ||
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| Re: Trying to steal the limp-ins, mroban, 9. Oct 2003 07:23 | ||
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| and yes, as jaustin said, you should only do this when you have a dead read on your opponents (as a bluff). Otherwise its too easy to get trapped. One final note - there is a play that good players make called "second hand low". Its tough to do, but can be done against players that make the type of play that you made. Here is how it works. There are two limpers and the third player has KK or AA. He has seen you make the type of play that you just made before. So he limps thinking you might try a steal raise and push the other limpers back into him with your raise. So when you raise allin, he is hoping that one (or both) of the other limpers call as well (if he has Aces, that would be a bit scary with KK) and he can win a monster pot. Although your raise is more than enough to make the play worthwhile for him if the others fold. This is why reading your opponents is so important here. If you are wrong, its very easy to get trapped here. | ||
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| Re: Trying to steal the limp-ins, Risky Business, 9. Oct 2003 07:32 | ||
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| I see this all the time in on-line tournaments. Most of these folks are trying to trap everyone else by portraying an image, with the intent of tightening up so people will call later. Problem is, they forget the scheme and try it again later and someone flips over KK to end their tourney. Buying the button........I like this approach. If you're NEAR the button you can probably buy it with this type of play anytime you want. Wait for a better holding than 2-3. You're never more than 7 hands away from a steal attempt if a few limpers come in. Remember to do this also with AA later in the tourney. You'll find out who was really watching you (as they leave the table) on 8. Oct 2003 16:08 Blue Sky wrote: > Let me start by saying that I am not a normal tournament or NL player...I play > limit poker and sometimes even win a few bucks. Recently i was on a road trip > with a friend and we came acrross an Indian Reservation Casino that was > strarting a $30 buy-in NL Tournament...My buddy loves to play tournies so I > decided to jump in and kill some time instead of just waiting for him to bust > out. (this was only the 2nd time I have ever played NL.) My basic mindset was > to jump in and see how far I could go with out any re-buys, I wanted to save my > bankroll for limit play later that night. > > I was holding my own and had just went through the 1st table consilidation and > was moved to a new table where I didn't have any reads on anyone and of course > vice versa but I was comming to the table with a larger then the rest of the > other players stack of chips. > > I was on the button approx. 4 hands into my table change and watched as 3 early > position players limped in after the blinds with everyone else folding to me. I > beleive the blinds were some where around the range of $300, $600 but I cannot > remember exactly. I went all in with approx. $6600 with a 23o....I thought > everyone would fold and I would steal the blinds and limpers chips! Well, long > story short everyone folded to the last limper who called with a much smaller > stack then I had. He showed over pocket Q's and the flop helped neither of > us...I hit runner runner 3's to win. > > I know I got lucky, real lucky, but I wanted to get everyone's opinion of my > steal move....Is this something you would try from the button after everyone > only limped in? | ||
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