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 Bankroll requirements for Sng play, aussiedude, 8. Oct 2003 12:15 | ||
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| G'day, Relative newbie to this whole poker thing, have played only online for 6 months or so. The one thing I have found during my battles is that I am a lot more suited to the SnG format rather than LL ring games. So far I have built a bankroll from 100 to about 550, but with huge swings in between whilst trying to find my feet. My question to this forum is, has anyone done research or have any universally accepted ideas about what sort of bankroll requirements are needed to buy in to different levels of SnG's? Basically the $5 and $10 tourneys are cake, and I place about 75% of the time. However I have tried a few $30 tables and best I've placed has been 6th, so the quality of play is a lot better (as far as I have experienced). The problem is that to replace the higher buy-in you need to win at the lower buy-in to break even, and if you don't win then you need another couple of shots at the lower level to replenish the bankroll. I understand the 300BB rule for ring games, but is there a similar yardstick for when you can afford the higher SnG buy-ins on a consistent basis? Your comments are appreciated. | ||
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| Re: Bankroll requirements for Sng play, Blade, 8. Oct 2003 13:06 | ||
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| Does anyone else feel that bank roll is overrated for non-pro low limit players? If you are working and are able to fund your playing if you hit a bad run then I think you should play at the level you feel you can win at. if the higher buy in has the same type of players, whom you feel you can beat, then that's what I would play. I don't play SNG's but believe the rake stays static as you move up, thus giving a monetary incentive to play the higher limit all other things being equal. Thoughts? | ||
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| Re: Bankroll requirements for Sng play, gary ford, 11. Oct 2003 10:00 | ||
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| on 8. Oct 2003 13:06 Blade wrote: > Does anyone else feel that bank roll is overrated for non-pro low limit players? If > you are working and are able to fund your playing if you hit a bad run then I think > you should play at the level you feel you can win at. if the higher buy in has the > same type of players, whom you feel you can beat, then that's what I would play. I > don't play SNG's but believe the rake stays static as you move up, thus giving a > monetary incentive to play the higher limit all other things being equal. > > Thoughts? The "fee" is 10 % except at the $5 where it is usually 20% or $1 | ||
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| Re: Bankroll requirements for Sng play, Bungus, 12. Oct 2003 14:54 | ||
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| what do you mean, fee? Surely not the rake | ||
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| Re: Bankroll requirements for Sng play, Formless, 12. Oct 2003 06:24 | ||
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| 25 S&G buyins = 300 BB ring game bankroll, roughly, if you are a moderate, consistent winner. For the low limit s&gs you play you probably need less. | ||
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| Re: Bankroll requirements for Sng play, 27o, 12. Oct 2003 19:22 | ||
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| pardon the stupidity. new to this forum. what is S&G stand for? | ||
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| Re: Bankroll requirements for Sng play, 4 POKER, 12. Oct 2003 22:18 | ||
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| Hi 27o, S&G stands for Sit and Go; as in, a one table tournament. And "Welcome to the UPF". 4P- | ||
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| Re: Bankroll requirements for Sng play, palman, 12. Oct 2003 21:05 | ||
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| This is an accurate bankroll requirement... I've been playing full time... 30 dollar sit n go's (and I think you have a bad string of luck... because there is virtually no difference in skill between 10 and 30 dollar tables.... you get pocket rockets in the early levels, and in each there's about a 50% chance of doubling up) I've played all 30's... and a 700 bankroll is sufficient. Swings of 300 dollars are common... and having 700 makes you result in enough money so that you arent worried about only having one or two games left (have pocket kings in my game right now... lets test my theory.... nah only 100 chips (but was in big blind so usually harder to double up in first position) And I've had two swings of about 500-600 dollars. This is over 1,000 sit n go's experience.... actually didnt cash in 15 straight, which trust me was painful... but I was confident I was still playing profitably. I would highly doubt that there are many people who could be significantly more profitable at the sit n go's than I've been.... and I think I overestimated my winning amount per sit n go... I used to think 10-15 dollars per 30 dollar entry but in actuaility its probably closer to 7 dollars per entry. Luck alone simply doesnt allow someone to consistently cash in 75% of them. Slightly over 40% is about as good as it gets, possibly 50%, but you only need slightly over 30% to be profitable. In my experience I do notice some difference in the 50 dollar tables , and especially 100, 200 tables. Sure in them there actually seems to be one or two complete idiots who have no business playing that high.... but in the low limits you'll get people calling 250 preflop bets with A10o, and there seems to be less of that in the higher limits... some triple the blinds preflop raises get folded around in the higher limits... and its just not the case in the lower limits. | ||
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| Re: Bankroll requirements for Sng play, ADAM THE EXPERT, 12. Oct 2003 08:18 | ||
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| Adam the Expert will now answer the Aussie player's question The single table tournaments, are a goldmine. But they are a goldmine, that needs a lot of equipment to mine!!!!!! First thing you need to know, is that the play is NOT better at the higher limits. In fact, the $200 players, are the worst!!!!!! Except of course, for the pros, which can usually be spotted easily. People get money, it messes with their minds. The fifties, are very good right now. In fact, Adam the Expert is acheiving a win rate in these, almost as great as he is in the $200's!!!!!! Of course, we all can't be Adam the Expert, but my accepted win rate, for a good player, is one half buy in, per tournament. or, about $25-30 bucks an hours, per game, depending on how fast the table is. (Based on playing the $50 Single table tournaments) So, a person playing two at a time (Adam the Expert doen'st recommend more than that, at least not until you have completed your player notes) Could make a hundred grand a year, hands down, working only forty hours per week. Ok, what's the catch.. The short term fluctuations, are MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH higher, than in a live game, or even in a "normal" tournament. The rounds are only tens hands long, and the starting chips are insufficient, to be able to "work" them. So, to acheive success in these, you had better figure on At LEAST One hundred buy ins as your bankroll. five grand for the fifties. If you are very very good, you might get but with FIFTY, but that also depends on whether you must use your winnings, to pay bills. | ||
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| Re: Bankroll requirements for Sng play, Bungus, 12. Oct 2003 14:59 | ||
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| Might you get by with 2 buy -ins, if you win one? How much of a good player are you if you lose 50 $50 dollar tounys in a row? | ||
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