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 FINAL TABLE, FINAL HAND QUESTION, brian h, 6. Oct 2003 06:39 | ||
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| I was at the final table with $5000 sitting in 8th position. Every hand dealt before the big blind got to me folded, so basically the big blind picked up the small blind with out doing anything. Blinds are 2000/4000. Everyone folds again except for the button. The button made it 10,000 to call. Since I had only 1000 left I called. I had Q4 offsuit he had 99, board did nothing for both of us so he won I'm out taking 9th place. Top 6 people get paid. (normally everyone at the final table makes a deal so the 7, 8, and 9 get there money back, but one guy said he didn't make deals with anyone which didn't make some people too happy.) Should I have folded and taken my chances on the next hand with the small blind or was it a crap shot either way? Also is it bad poker edict in a small / friendly casino to say no deal at the final table? Thanx | ||
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| Re: FINAL TABLE, FINAL HAND QUESTION, Pedro, 6. Oct 2003 06:47 | ||
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| I think I would of made a move prior to that. I wouldn't of waited for my big blind to eat me up. Basically any ace and i would of gone all in at that point. But once you were there I guess you have to call. Cause even if you win the next hand your only at 2000 chips and thats not enough to do anything. | ||
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| Re: FINAL TABLE, FINAL HAND QUESTION, 4 POKER, 6. Oct 2003 07:43 | ||
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| Hi Brian, Well I gather from what your saying that prior to it being your big blind with 5000 in chips....you probably didn't get dealt anything decent enough to come in with. With the blinds being at $2000/4000, I would have called the raise as well. One reason being: Q high at that point, is not that bad. Okay, it's not "great", BUT... if you fold your hand in that spot, you'll lose the 4000 in chips for sure, leaving you now with only 1000 in chips, and the 'next' hand is your small blind, and if you wait to put your remaining 1000 in chips there.....it can only yield you a $2000 pot at the most anyway, and at that point then, you would be all in, too. You stated that the top 6 pIayers place in the money, but you weren't in a good spot being in the blinds. IF you were in a better spot (chip wise) to fold off the big blind and/or perhaps if someone else called his raise, you could have folded and hoped that one of them got knocked out so you could move up the money ladder perhaps; but being that it was just down to you having to make the call.......I think you had very little choice in the matter. I would have called the raise, and hoped to double up my 4000. (there are alot worse hands than Q high and I would have done the same). *Now....as far as etiquitte goes, to not make any deals at the final table?..........That's totally up to you Brian. You don't have to make a deal if you don't want to. It could be "advantagous" for a player to agree to a deal if he feels it could possibly work in his favor ($), or, if it was down to just a few of you and you all had around the same amount of chips....'then' you may want to cut some kind of a deal because when the limits are really high, it's anybody's ball game then. But I don't think that you 'should' make deals just because that may be the "norm" at your casino. I think it's okay to want to finish it out completely and there are some tournament players who never make any deals, but it's what you decide.......nobody else*. 4P- | ||
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| Re: FINAL TABLE, FINAL HAND QUESTION, brian h, 6. Oct 2003 08:31 | ||
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| You know I didn't even think about trying to double up before the blond got to me. I don't even remeber what hands I have. Thank You 4 I now have something else to add to my tourny stratagy. It was only my second live one and last time i placed 6th with out knowing any kind of startagy for tournies. I felt over all this time I played a lot better. I think that trying to double up before the blind got to me would have been a nice thing to have. Side note: It was kind of cool to know that two people out of the 63 there won there way to Aurba this weekend. | ||
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| Re: FINAL TABLE, FINAL HAND QUESTION, 4 POKER, 6. Oct 2003 09:50 | ||
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| on 6. Oct 2003 08:31 brian h wrote: > You know I didn't even think about trying to double up before the blond got to me. I don't > even remeber what hands I have. Thank You 4 I now have something else to add to my tourny > stratagy. It was only my second live one and last time i placed 6th with out knowing any > kind of startagy for tournies. I felt over all this time I played a lot better. I think > that trying to double up before the blind got to me would have been a nice thing to > have. > Side note: It was kind of cool to know that two people out of the 63 there won there way > to Aurba this weekend. Brian, I've thought it about some more here, And it's a must call situation for you here. You asked if you should have folded your big blind and waited for your small blind, but this is what happens if you do that: You lose your 4000 of your remaining 5000 left in chips. On the very next hand, (your small blind).....you will have 1000 in chips left. So you're either all-in on the big blind for a possible gain of 4000 more in chips, OR, you're all-in on the very next hand. So my question to you is: Why would you 'not' committ the rest of your stack in the big blind....regardless of what your holding was? It's not like you had the option to fold here and try to see if on the "next" hand for somebody else to go all-in so you could move up a notch or two. YOU were the one who was going to be all-in here....whether it be in your big blind, or the very next hand dealt in your small blind. You didn't have enough chips to even cover the small blind, let alone having any advantage at all by perhaps being left just a few chips in hopes that it could let you survive through the round, and again.....hope to see someone else get knocked out. The call that you made with your last 1000 in chips is a MUST call situation for you, no matter how awful you thought your hand was. You make the call there and hope to make the 4000 into 8000. OR....you fold the big blind and your last 1000 in chips goes in on the next hand, and the best that you could do there is make 1000 more. So you can't look at it like, well maybe my small blind will be a better hand. You have to take the risk and committ the remaining 1000 because all of your money was already in there being in the blind. It's a no brainer situation and you made the correct decision. Actually......it isn't even a choice to make, you had to do it. As far as being able to double up earlier........well that is something that "is" a choice/decision to make, If you had a semi-strong hand, and If you wanted to take some chances there.......then, you could have tried to make a play for the pot. But you stated that you didn't even remember what your cards were just prior to it being your big blind so you probably didn't get anything worth shooting for anyway. Sometimes it happens Brian, and you just get blinded out......but don't think that the call you made from your big blind was incorrect or silly just because you only had Q high. You had no other choice, and no better time (or should I say....no MORE time) to build up your stack. Good luck to you in the next one:) 4P- | ||
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| Re: FINAL TABLE, FINAL HAND QUESTION, Risky Business, 6. Oct 2003 15:30 | ||
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| " Also is it bad poker edict in a small / friendly casino to say no deal at the final table? " NO NO NO If you don't like the deal, it's probably because someone else is gaining an advantage. Either work it to your advantage quickly (don't draw out negotiations), or just say "I'll keep playing". Don't say you want to finish, just say you'll keep playing. You might want to chime in yourself with an offer later on. You'd be amazed at how your enemy can become your friend once your stack has grown and his has shrunk. | ||
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| Re: FINAL TABLE, FINAL HAND QUESTION, gary ford, 6. Oct 2003 15:49 | ||
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| on 6. Oct 2003 15:30 Risky Business wrote: > " Also is it bad poker edict in a small / friendly casino to say no deal at the final > table? " > > NO NO NO > If you don't like the deal, it's probably because someone else is gaining an > advantage. > Either work it to your advantage quickly (don't draw out negotiations), or just say > "I'll keep playing". > Don't say you want to finish, just say you'll keep playing. You might want to chime > in yourself with an offer later on. > > You'd be amazed at how your enemy can become your friend once your stack has grown > and his has shrunk. the enemy of my enemy is my friend" | ||
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