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 What do you think?, socal_1111, 5. Oct 2003 01:24 | ||
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| Would NL be more for the experienced or players who can afford to lose more $$? Would LL be a better place to learn HE? mkpoker suggested I play LL games because I have lost my entire bankroll in two days to some really bad beats... I think I may agree with him (and thank you mkpoker for your advice- much appreciated). Your thoughts? | ||
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| Re: What do you think?, betelgeese, 5. Oct 2003 01:33 | ||
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| yes. on 5. Oct 2003 01:24 socal_1111 wrote: > Would NL be more for the experienced or players who can afford to lose more $$? > Would LL be a better place to learn HE? mkpoker suggested I play LL games > because I have lost my entire bankroll in two days to some really bad beats... I > think I may agree with him (and thank you mkpoker for your advice- much > appreciated). > Your thoughts? > | ||
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| Re: What do you think?, Angel, 5. Oct 2003 01:53 | ||
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| While I don't recall the entire essay, Mason Malmuth spoke on this once upon a time (perhaps Essays 2). Anyway, he shaped my opinion on the matter so I thought I'd credit him up front. There needs to be a balance between skill and luck in poker in order for a game to be successful. If the poker game has too much emphasis on skill - poor players never win and eventually all the fish starve to death. Malmuth credits this with why we don't see no limit games proliferating. (I know that they are at the moment - but expect that to plateau and eventually subside). I believe that in no limit, the more skillful players will get the money faster and more regularly (re: higher win% rate) than they will in limit. Therefore, even if you are fairly skillful in holdem and even in NL holdem - if there are more skillful players in the game then you will eventually go broke. In a limit game though, you can grind out 1/4 BB/hour over time if this reflects your skill level and the expert can still make his 1 or 1.5 BB/hour. In other words, you do not need to the most skillful player in the game. | ||
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| Re: What do you think?, betelgeese, 5. Oct 2003 02:17 | ||
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| thats nice, but he hasnt played long enough to know how skilled of a player he is. on 5. Oct 2003 01:53 Angel wrote: > While I don't recall the entire essay, Mason Malmuth spoke on this once upon a time > (perhaps Essays 2). Anyway, he shaped my opinion on the matter so I thought I'd > credit him up front. > > There needs to be a balance between skill and luck in poker in order for a game to > be successful. If the poker game has too much emphasis on skill - poor players never > win and eventually all the fish starve to death. Malmuth credits this with why we > don't see no limit games proliferating. (I know that they are at the moment - but > expect that to plateau and eventually subside). I believe that in no limit, the more > skillful players will get the money faster and more regularly (re: higher win% rate) > than they will in limit. Therefore, even if you are fairly skillful in holdem and > even in NL holdem - if there are more skillful players in the game then you will > eventually go broke. In a limit game though, you can grind out 1/4 BB/hour over time > if this reflects your skill level and the expert can still make his 1 or 1.5 BB/hour. > In other words, you do not need to the most skillful player in the game. > > | ||
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| Re: What do you think?, Boftx, 6. Oct 2003 11:01 | ||
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| You can see a dramatic expample of this in operation evey time Phil H plays down in the gutters on UB. He does moderately well in the 2/4 limit games, but other players can take down pots from him on occasion. On the other hand, when he plays in the NL games, he *quickly* dominates the game. | ||
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| Re: What do you think?, 4 POKER, 5. Oct 2003 02:56 | ||
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| on 5. Oct 2003 01:24 socal_1111 wrote: > Would NL be more for the experienced or players who can afford to lose more $$? > Would LL be a better place to learn HE? mkpoker suggested I play LL games > because I have lost my entire bankroll in two days to some really bad beats... I > think I may agree with him (and thank you mkpoker for your advice- much > appreciated). > Your thoughts? > Hi, (just want to clarify one thing first socal. mkpoker suggested for you to play limit hold-em)........... So I would also agree with mkpoker, but not because I don't think you're a good player (I don't *know* how experienced or how knowledgeable, or how skillful you are in poker).......I would suggest limit hold-em because IF you are more of a beginner to poker, then I believe that a limit structured game would be easier to grasp. I also think that the foundations that you may need, will not be in a NL game as opposed to limit. Playing limit structured games to start out with...(IMO) will help a player more with just the basics, (but they're also extrememly important)...ie, betting/raising a good hand by just having to bet the limit required for that limit at hand, as opposed to perhaps "pushing all in", or "calling all in", or "calling really big unstructured raises"......etc, etc.. Having to make those types of decisions may be a little bit harder to make, as they may not be as clear to you right now, and/or, even if you are making the correct plays in NL.....the swings can still be greater here sometimes due to the short term luck factor. I don't play NL poker, but I think that it takes a different kind of skill, and being able to really put your opponents on hands, and making very gutsy plays yourself, may be an even more important factor in NL. I feel, that if someone is not truly skilled in NL (which takes alot of experience as well)......will not fair well here, and the bankroll will be put at a much greater risk. Good luck to you in your ventures, and remember......bankrolls are allowed to start over, so when you're ready again.....get right back in there and fight :) (i suggest limit hold-em....for now). just my opinion. all the best. 4P- | ||
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| Re: What do you think?, socal_1111, 5. Oct 2003 10:32 | ||
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| Thank you all very much for your responses. I will definitely learn from your suggestions. Much appreciated! | ||
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