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 Early Tournament Advice, michaliv, 4. Oct 2003 10:54 | ||
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| I have been in several multi and single table tournaments (online). I do pretty good at the single table, but I am having problems playing multi table tournaments. I usually play very tight in multi tables, until my chip stack gets to be very low. How should I approach early tournament play. Also, I will be playing in my first B&M tourney next Thursday. It is a limit tourney. Any advice on that would also be great. Thanks. Michael | ||
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| Re: Early Tournament Advice, gary ford, 4. Oct 2003 11:48 | ||
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| on 4. Oct 2003 10:54 michaliv wrote: > I have been in several multi and single table tournaments (online). I do pretty > good at the single table, but I am having problems playing multi table > tournaments. I usually play very tight in multi tables, until my chip stack gets > to be very low. How should I approach early tournament play. Also, I will be > playing in my first B&M tourney next Thursday. It is a limit tourney. Any advice > on that would also be great. Thanks. > > Michael first of all define "pretty tight" second. how many entries will be in B&M? | ||
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| Re: Early Tournament Advice, michaliv, 4. Oct 2003 13:28 | ||
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| By tight I mean I will only play A-K, A-Q, K-Q, A-Js, A-Ts, pocket 7s and up. There will be 100 people in the tournament. Thanks for the reply. | ||
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| Re: Early Tournament Advice (More Info), michaliv, 4. Oct 2003 13:32 | ||
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| Here is more info about my tight play: I will not call a large raise (4xblinds) except with A-K, A-A, K-K, Q-Q, A-Q. If I do not improve on the flop, I usually fold. I hope this is enough info. | ||
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| Re: Early Tournament Advice (More Info), KJo, 4. Oct 2003 16:13 | ||
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| Sounds like you're playing too rigidly and with too many rules. You have to be able to adapt to the situations at hand, also factoring in what stage of the tournament you're in. You can't, as you say, "play very tight until my chip stack gets very low," you won't win without taking some chances and doing more than just playing your own cards. All that will get you is a low stack., which will put you in desperation mode. Eli on 4. Oct 2003 13:32 michaliv wrote: > Here is more info about my tight play: > > I will not call a large raise (4xblinds) except with A-K, A-A, K-K, Q-Q, A-Q. > If I do not improve on the flop, I usually fold. I hope this is enough info. | ||
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| Re: Early Tournament Advice (More Info), michaliv, 4. Oct 2003 20:28 | ||
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| Thanks for the advice. I will try playing a little looser and let you know how it goes. Michael | ||
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| Re: Early Tournament Advice (More Info), betelgeese, 5. Oct 2003 01:29 | ||
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| i agree with jack off, but i'd agree more if we were talking about no limit. but that isnt clear. on 4. Oct 2003 16:13 KJo wrote: > Sounds like you're playing too rigidly and with too many rules. You have to be able to adapt > to the situations at hand, also factoring in what stage of the tournament you're in. You > can't, as you say, "play very tight until my chip stack gets very low," you won't win without > taking some chances and doing more than just playing your own cards. All that will get you is > a low stack., which will put you in desperation mode. > > Eli > > on 4. Oct 2003 13:32 michaliv wrote: > > Here is more info about my tight play: > > > > I will not call a large raise (4xblinds) except with A-K, A-A, K-K, Q-Q, A-Q. > > If I do not improve on the flop, I usually fold. I hope this is enough info. | ||
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| Re: Early Tournament Advice (More Info), KJo, 5. Oct 2003 18:43 | ||
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| *sigh* I'm having second thoughts about accepting the new nickname... on 5. Oct 2003 01:29 betelgeese wrote: > i agree with jack off, but i'd agree more if we were talking about no limit. but that isnt clear. > > on 4. Oct 2003 16:13 KJo wrote: > > Sounds like you're playing too rigidly and with too many rules. You have to be able to adapt > > to the situations at hand, also factoring in what stage of the tournament you're in. You > > can't, as you say, "play very tight until my chip stack gets very low," you won't win without > > taking some chances and doing more than just playing your own cards. All that will get you is > > a low stack., which will put you in desperation mode. > > > > Eli > > > > on 4. Oct 2003 13:32 michaliv wrote: > > > Here is more info about my tight play: > > > > > > I will not call a large raise (4xblinds) except with A-K, A-A, K-K, Q-Q, A-Q. > > > If I do not improve on the flop, I usually fold. I hope this is enough info. | ||
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| Re: Early Tournament Advice, rdale, 4. Oct 2003 15:06 | ||
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| I'm by no means an expert, but have been doing fair in multi limit and nl online tournament play lately, usually in the top 50 out 750 and in the top 10 of 100. I play a little looser than that in limit hold'em and include suited connectors, sometimes one gappers 76 and up early from late postion with 2 callers assuming that there will be one more caller and the big blind. I'm also fond of suited overcards and any two split overcards for at least one bet. Depending on position Axs might get tossed around some too. No limit I play about the same, with the exception of the suited connectors and Axs, unless in really late position, and will often times toss pairs 9 and lower to the side from early position. Mostly I pay attention to the table and the other people's betting, and try to figure out the structure and stay alert for weaker players that I know will pay me off most of the time because I will have the better kicker. Peace, R.Dale | ||
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| Re: Early Tournament Advice, michaliv, 4. Oct 2003 20:27 | ||
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| Thanks for that advice, I think my problem is not taking enough chances. I will try to take more chances and let you know how it comes out. Thanks. Michael | ||
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| Re: Early Tournament Advice, rdale, 4. Oct 2003 23:37 | ||
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| Chances at correct odds is the key thing I've picked up from this forum. Taking chances is great, but only on the ones that consistently over time pay off, especially at the lower blinds. I think a good deal of chances are table climate, position, and how well you will play the hand on the flop. Table climate seems to be the key for me being able to figure out how to extract the most from the situation, even more so than position, getting a lock on it, and paying attention to when it changes. If the table is moving loose passive way, I will open utg with 87s and gladly call one raise, because there are more than likely going to be three or four limpers in on the hand. If the table has a maniac or worse maniacs, freerolls you see all kinds, tighten up lots from every position. Because it is going to cost more to enter each hand, the chance vs. chips is going to be out of favor with playing the weaker stuff. So I guess taking more chances is great advice, it is just deciding when is the proper time to take them is the hard part. | ||
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| Re: Early Tournament Advice, PBG, 6. Oct 2003 08:12 | ||
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| I've noticed that there are stages of a tournament, much like other activities. How a football team plays during the first quarter differs considerably from how they'll play in the fourth quarter (depending on the score). As a tournament player, you need to address your leaks in each stage and until you figure out your starting game, your middle and end game will be non-existent. I've been where you are. I'm not a pro, but I understand the underlying problems of initially sitting down and playing. I only do B&M tournaments by the way. Unlike being online, you need to develop a feel for the table. You're being watched much more than if you were online and you can observe your opponents. Advice (having been there not that long ago) is this: Feel the table. Who is tight? Who will call you no matter what? Your starting hand requirements are fine for the first couple of levels or so. It cultivates an image and when you feel ready and confident enough to try to steal a pot, go for it. And don't stop the bluff at pre-flop. Be ready (if all check to you and if the board looks scary) to take it to the turn. If you fail, you fail. It's Limit and you won't lose that much relative to your stack. You will also learn quite a bit about your opponents from failed attempts. Personally, I started to play limit hold 'em tournaments, but discovered that no limit employed more opportunities for me to use my chips as "tools" to take pots that didn't "belong" to me. So I've stopped doing limit tournaments, because a straight flush in limit will never make as much against someone with a full house as it will in no limit. | ||
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| Re: Early Tournament Advice, KJo, 6. Oct 2003 13:23 | ||
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| Just wanted to add a comment to the below- I have started feeling the same way about NL vs. limit tourneys, you have so much more power and ability to advance in a NL tournament- in limit, even if you get a killer hand under optimal circumstances it won't necessarily help you all that much. Plus, NL is a good game to really punish those that would suck out on you in a limit game. Eli on 6. Oct 2003 08:12 PBG wrote: > > Personally, I started to play limit hold 'em tournaments, but discovered that no > limit employed more opportunities for me to use my chips as "tools" to take pots that > didn't "belong" to me. So I've stopped doing limit tournaments, because a straight > flush in limit will never make as much against someone with a full house as it will > in no limit. | ||
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| Re: Early Tournament Advice, rdale, 8. Oct 2003 01:54 | ||
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| Exactly, punishing those that would suck out, or even better taking a small pot before someone gets the opportunity to river you. Personally sick of someone getting to see four of a suit on the board on 5th St. I like stopping them well in advance. The words, "Winning a small pot is better than losing a big one.", constantly run in my head when playing no limit, and the only time I let them attempt to "suck out" on me now is when I am sure that my hand will hold up, or there are no monsters under the bed anyways. | ||
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