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 Erik123 tournament strategy, Bond18, 1. Oct 2003 01:11 | ||
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| I was reading over an article about Erik123's recent 100,000 dollar online poker win (that bastard) and he described his strategy as very loose aggressive. He says he tries to get in on a lot of flops and then outplay everybody after the flop. Has anybody tried this approach (it obviously wouldn't work in smaller buy in tournaments as much as the higher ones) and how has it worked for you. What do you guys think of an approach that is so risky and aggressive? | ||
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| Re: Erik123 tournament strategy, Formless, 1. Oct 2003 02:09 | ||
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| I watched some of that tournament, and Erik's performance in that one was epic. With 150 players left, someone posted in RGP that Erik had a big stack and was going to win. A pretty outrageous statement with that many players left. Then I watched him play some and it was like a runaway freight train. That young man knows how to play a big stack; it was as impressive a display of poker you are going to see. Everyone talks about the 'Swedish Waiter' hand. Final table, I think Erik brings Q3s in for a raise, JJ pops him back, Erik calls and wins. Railbirds were howling how bad he sucks, but Erik was pot-committed, had a huge stack to withstand a loss, and was no worse than 31.5% winner vs two black jacks. Gus Hansen and to a lesser degree Phil Ivey play a lot of hands too, and they've been pretty successful. But in every case these guys see the game differently than us mortals I think. Great players playing loose and painting outside the lines is akin to Ted Williams swinging away on 3 and 0. For most people it's a bad idea, but for the very best players it probably helps. | ||
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| Re: Erik123 tournament strategy, Grateful Rooster, 1. Oct 2003 11:04 | ||
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| Great analysis and analogies, Formless. I agree that the top players in NL are there because they are fantastic readers of both cards and players. In limit you can win on card/bet/odds calculations. Tight aggressive wins consistently. In NL, the cards mean far less. Ivey and Hansen are phenomenal situation readers. I would argue Money is pretty good at this too, though I would still place him among us mortals. Just a very rich mortal. You can definitely use this strategy in lower tourneys, I believe, once you build a stack, but you can get burned badly and it's a roller coaster at minimum. If you like the ride, it's a fun way to play. Early rounds, one doesn't have as much room. Seems to me, guys who play this way are usually out early or in the money. It may not be the best earning strategy, though it is a highly sucessful winning strategy. Impressive thing about Ivey is that he always seems to be at the final table. He's a little harder to pin on a fixed strategy, though. He wears out that gear shifter. GR on 1. Oct 2003 02:09 Formless wrote: > > I watched some of that tournament, and Erik's performance in that one was epic. > With 150 players left, someone posted in RGP that Erik had a big stack and was going > to win. A pretty outrageous statement with that many players left. > > Then I watched him play some and it was like a runaway freight train. That young man > knows how to play a big stack; it was as impressive a display of poker you are going > to see. > > Everyone talks about the 'Swedish Waiter' hand. Final table, I think Erik brings > Q3s in for a raise, JJ pops him back, Erik calls and wins. Railbirds were howling > how bad he sucks, but Erik was pot-committed, had a huge stack to withstand a loss, > and was no worse than 31.5% winner vs two black jacks. > > Gus Hansen and to a lesser degree Phil Ivey play a lot of hands too, and they've > been pretty successful. But in every case these guys see the game differently than > us mortals I think. > > Great players playing loose and painting outside the lines is akin to Ted Williams > swinging away on 3 and 0. For most people it's a bad idea, but for the very best > players it probably helps. > > | ||
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| Re: Erik123 tournament strategy, Pedro, 1. Oct 2003 06:52 | ||
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| You can play like this but you must know when to back off. Gus Hansen is a prime example of loose agressive. He raises almost anything. The great thing about this style of play is that when you really get a good hand you are going to make serious dollars cause you have already established that you do bluff a lot. I don't think you can play like this as much in a online tournament cause this is mostly about reading your opposition. It really has nothing to do with your cards your playing the player. Almost all the great players play this way. However, I still think during the beginning of the tournament you should play tight agressive then loosen up when you get the chips to push people around. | ||
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| Re: Erik123 tournament strategy, betelgeese, 2. Oct 2003 14:28 | ||
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| that is the opposite of erik123's strategy. for the world series of online (or whatever that was called) he said he wanted to see a lot of flops, out play his opponants onward, and get as many of the bad players chips early in the tourny. (paraphrasing) a riskier strategy. but i dont think their is a wrong strategy, you can make the money with either. and i dont think erik is nearly as crazy as gus hanson 1. Oct 2003 06:52 Pedro wrote: > You can play like this but you must know when to back off. Gus Hansen is a prime > example of loose > agressive. He raises almost anything. The great thing about this style of play is > that when you really > get a good hand you are going to make serious dollars cause you have already > established that > you do bluff a lot. > > I don't think you can play like this as much in a online tournament cause this is > mostly about reading > your opposition. It really has nothing to do with your cards your playing the > player. Almost all the > great players play this way. However, I still think during the beginning of the > tournament you should > play tight agressive then loosen up when you get the chips to push people around. > | ||
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| Where is this article?, SmellsLikeVictory, 1. Oct 2003 11:23 | ||
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| >> I was reading over an article about Erik123's recent >> 100,000 dollar online poker win Where is this article? Online? | ||
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| Re: Where is this article?, Bond18, 2. Oct 2003 00:05 | ||
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| Yea it was online but i've checked my history and can't find where. I remember i found by just punching Erik123 into google and it popped up for me. | ||
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| Re: Where is this article?, betelgeese, 2. Oct 2003 14:22 | ||
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| its here: http://elite-poker.com/ on 2. Oct 2003 00:05 Bond18 wrote: > Yea it was online but i've checked my history and can't find where. I remember i found by > just punching Erik123 into google and it popped up for me. | ||
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