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 Good laydowns?...Insert Comments Here, mkpoker, 30. Sep 2003 22:44 | ||
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| Twice tonight I had good hands and contemplated making "big" laydowns. I'm curious what others would have done in these situations (I mucked #1 but stayed in #2, as you'll see). We're at 3/6 UB HE. For Hand #1, I'm new to the table. HAND #1: From the BB, I'm dealt QQ. 2 early limpers. MP raiser. 1 LP caller. SB folds. I call (perhaps a mistake--maybe should have re-raised, but I wanted to conceal my strength). Flop is 952 rainbow. I check, planning to check-raise. All check to MP raiser, who bets. LP calls. I raise. EP limper calls. MP re-raises. I call. Turn is Th, putting a heart flush draw on the board. I check again, waiting to see how things develop. I doubt it will be checked around. EP limper bets out--first time he's led. 1 fold. Pre-flop raiser raises. LP folds. What do you do here? I fold, figuring pre-flop raiser might have KK or AA and EP raiser might have made trips or 2 pair. Was this the right move? Hand #1 Result: After I fold, EP bettor re-raises and pre-flop raiser calls. It turns out that EP bettor had TT and made a set on the turn. Pre-flop raiser had 77, and had been overplaying his hand throughout. HAND #2: After about an hour, the table texture had turned from loose to tight. The player on my left (the button) had lost a bundle a while earlier, but had since tightened up and hand't played in about 15 hands. This was a kill hand, so limits were 6/12. From the cutoff, I'm dealt AQo. All fold to me, except the MP Kill blind, who checks. I raise. Button re-raises, which disturbs me since he hadn't played much and appeared to have tightened up. KB folds, I call--we're heads up. Flop is 68A rainbow. I bet. Button raises. I worry he's on AK or AA. Should I fold here, I wonder? I call. Turn is 2d, putting a diamond draw on the board. I still worry I'm beat, but bet in case he's on a draw. He calls. River is 3s I check...he checks (I would have called if he bet). HAND #2 Result: He turns over AJ, which loses to my AQ. Both of these hands worked out, but I'm curious how others would have played. Thanks for your thoughts and views! | ||
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| Re: Good laydowns?...Insert Comments Here, grant pittman, 1. Oct 2003 05:53 | ||
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| mkpoker I like your fold in the first situation. You really can't beat both of your opponents when there has been so much action on the flop and turn. It is most likely one of them has a set so you are drawing to 2 cards and need to fold here. Good play!!!! The second hand you mention needs a closer look. When you have someone who is posting in a kill pot and you are one off the button first to voluntarily enter the pot you need to remember that your opponents MAY NOT give you credit for much of a hand since the situation looks ripe for a steal. If I held AQ in that situation I may have 4 bet preflop but I certainly would have either 3 bet the flop or check raised the turn after flopping an ace. I think you played it too cautiously given the situation you faced. Just a thought. GRANT PITTMAN | ||
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| Re: Good laydowns?...Insert Comments Here, Formless, 2. Oct 2003 20:14 | ||
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| In both hands the following concept applies: when you play your hand aggressively preflop and on the flop, your hand is better defined and you can play your hands better on the turn and river. Both hands should have been played more aggressively. Another benefit of pounding your hands in the first two rounds of betting is so you do not have to make tough laydowns; the pot is usually so big you are getting the right price to make a pot odds call even if you are pretty sure you are beat, as long as you have a reasonable hand. Be careful about making big laydowns, losing just one pot to a bluff can blow hours worth of earn off. Hand 1. You need to win big pots in Holdem so you should reraise QQ preflop. Checkraising on the flop would be a crafty play, you can check representing AK, someone always bets, then checkraise. Or just bet out. You should have lost more money with this hand I think, if that makes any sense. Hand 2 I checkraise the flop. If he 3 bets me I probably check call to showdown, and usually lose. That's poker. | ||
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