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 Comments, please, Kymmer, 30. Sep 2003 21:17 | ||
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| First let me state that I think this is a great forum. Everyone is so helpful and I truly appreciate the positive attitude everyone (with an exception or two...) has in giving and receiving advice. With that said - the following hand left me in a bit of confusion...This was a strange hand. I don't know if I played this decently or just got lucky. The table was strange all session. I'd characterize it as moderately tight and passive - not a lot of pre-flop raising, certainly not an aggressive table. I would welcome comments, criticism, observations... I'm in middle position with pocket 88. Pre-flop: EP1 folds. EP2 folds. I call. MP2 folds. LP1 calls. LP2 folds. LP3 folds. BUTTON folds. SB calls. BB checks. Flop (board: 9d 7s Ts): SB checks. BB bets. I call - I'm now looking at a strait draw and a pssible full as a bonus; the pot's giving me good odds for the strait LP1 calls. SB calls. Turn (board: 9d 7s Ts 7c): SB checks. BB bets. I call-foolishly-honestly I don't know what I was thinking. A nanosecond after doing this I figure I'm beat with a higher 2 pair - I put the BB on a face and a T or a 9... I didn't even consider a bigger strait...and LP1 calls. SB calls. (Hmm, no raises and no check-raise - maybe my instincts are better than I think they are?.......) River (board: 9d 7s Ts 7c 8s): SB checks. BB checks. I got lucky with the 3rd 8 - I bet LP1 calls. SB folds. BB folds. Showdown: I have: 8d 8c 7s 7c 8s: full house, eights full of sevens. LP has Jh Qs I sqeezed it out and the JQ was probably cursing the semi-bad beat...yes?? | ||
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| Re: Comments, please, Blade, 30. Sep 2003 21:56 | ||
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| Well the JQ while maybe upset really has no room to be. The 8 made both of your hands and both of you were drawing for hands. However you did have him beat the entire way. Without a raise to you there really wasn't a huge reason to fold. You may have considered raising after the flop as you most likely had no worse than the 2nd best hast. | ||
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| Re: Comments, please, mkpoker, 30. Sep 2003 22:06 | ||
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| on 30. Sep 2003 21:17 Kymmer wrote: > First let me state that I think this is a great forum. Everyone is so helpful > and I truly appreciate the positive attitude everyone (with an exception or > two...) has in giving and receiving advice. > Thanks. I think it's a great forum, too--owing mainly to players who are a lot better than I! But I'll try to help on this hand. > With that said - the following hand left me in a bit of confusion...This was a > strange hand. I don't know if I played this decently or just got lucky. The > table was strange all session. I'd characterize it as moderately tight and > passive - not a lot of pre-flop raising, certainly not an aggressive table. I > would welcome comments, criticism, observations... > > I'm in middle position with pocket 88. > > Pre-flop: > > EP1 folds. EP2 folds. I call. MP2 folds. LP1 calls. LP2 folds. LP3 folds. > BUTTON folds. SB calls. BB checks. So far, so good. I think calling is the right play. > > Flop (board: 9d 7s Ts): > > SB checks. BB bets. I call - I'm now looking at a strait draw and a pssible > full as a bonus; the pot's giving me good odds for the strait LP1 calls. SB > calls. Trouble here. The spade flush draw "taints" some of your outs. If the Js comes on the turn, for example, you've made your str8, but you won't be happy b/c someone else may have made the flush. Also, because you're at the low end of the str8, it's quite possible you'll be beaten by a higher str8. Any one of those limpers could have KQ, so a J might not help you--it could actually hurt. BUT there's a good chance you've got the best hand here. No preflop raises makes it unlikely someone holds a high pocket pair. The two overcards (9&T) on the board are worrisome. I'd say a fold isn't a bad move here. But if you want to play, I'd consider raising to knock out the SB and see where the BB really stands. If he reraises, you're probably beat and can fold in good conscience. > Turn (board: 9d 7s Ts 7c): > > SB checks. BB bets. I call-foolishly-honestly I don't know what I was > thinking. A nanosecond after doing this I figure I'm beat with a higher 2 pair - > I put the BB on a face and a T or a 9... I didn't even consider a bigger > strait...and LP1 calls. SB calls. (Hmm, no raises and no check-raise - maybe > my instincts are better than I think they are?.......) Now, you're beat if anyone's holding a 7,9, or T. Anyone holding any two spades has a great draw (even better if they include overcards--which they probably do). And it's very possible your straight draw is either duplicated or beaten. A fold would have been a better play, I think. > > River (board: 9d 7s Ts 7c 8s): > > SB checks. BB checks. I got lucky with the 3rd 8 - I bet LP1 calls. SB > folds. BB folds. > You got lucky (and that's good. We all deserve to get lucky from time-to-time!) I like your bet. I'm surprised he didn't raise! > Showdown: > > I have: 8d 8c 7s 7c 8s: full house, eights full of sevens. > LP has Jh Qs > > I sqeezed it out and the JQ was probably cursing the semi-bad beat...yes?? Probably. But that's OK! | ||
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| Re: Comments, please, grant pittman, 1. Oct 2003 06:07 | ||
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| Kymmer I think you played this hand reasonably well. You may have tried to raise the flop in hopes of getting a free card on the turn since the bet came from the blind and he could be weak. The biggest problem in this hand is the fact that if one of your opponents is holding an 8, you are drawing to win half this pot. On the flop the call or even a raise is sensible but when you get opponents calling after you the possibility one of them also holds the same draw as you is strong. Remember also that the turn card paired the board and there is a possibility that someone already holds a fullhouse or J8 for a higher straight. I'm not sure I would have folded the turn either but it is a marginal call at best I believe. That 8 on the river must have looked nice!!!!! Just a thought. GRANT PITTMAN | ||
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| Re: Comments, please, Kymmer, 1. Oct 2003 06:29 | ||
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| Thank you all - this was very constructive and gave me a lot to consider for future play! | ||
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