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 Side pot situation, Andrew Wells, 30. Sep 2003 20:57 | ||
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| I'm a couple of hours into a good 15-30 hold'em table ahead 12 BBs. The chips came primarily from a small blind hand I couldn't have played if someone had raised preflop. I thought my nines and treys had been counterfeited (ace on the turn, paired eight on the river), but all three opponents missed. There was a live one at the table playing about every other hand, and he was on an upswing at the moment. The rest of the table were okay players who for the most part let each other take turns beating or getting whacked by the live one. I'm second to act and bring it in for a raise with AsQs. A middle position player goes all-in with his last $45. He had taken the worst of it from the live one. I know he has money, and would have bought another rack sooner if he was planning on staying. So I think this is a "go home" reraise, but it's probably with legitimate cards. The live one calls three cold from the cutoff, which only means he wants to play this hand. I'm not thrilled with the cold call since the big blind decides he wants a piece of it and overcalls. I complete the action. Maybe I should have capped it so there would be something in a side pot before the flop. The big blind checks to the Tc 4h 2s on the board, and I think I need to get something going on the side. My bet is called by the live one, and the big blind folds. Besides catching top pair (which I think is good enough for the side pot and possibly all of it), I can also pick up some outs with a spade or a wheel card. The turn is a blank, the 7c. I check looking for a free card, but the live one bets. I think he probably has a ten at this point, but I'm not really reading him at all. I don't know what the all-in player has, but there's some real possibility an ace only gets me the side pot if he has AK. If he has a big pair, a queen on the river may also limit me to the side. I figure that considering the big blind called two bets cold before the flop, plus the all-in reraise, and the slight possibility that the ace or queen of clubs may be trouble - that effectively one of my outs is not in the deck. Also considering I could hit and still lose to a set or something else, I decide to fold. The river is a harmless 3h. The live one takes the $30 side pot with 8c6c, and the all-in player wins the main pot with AdJd. I had completely failed to consider the possibility that I had the best hand on the turn. Normally I'll put this aside and get on with the next hand, but this one I couldn't stop thinking about. Sure enough I get a flopped set of queens cracked ten minutes later, and decide I'd rather not get stuck at this table. I'll take the $75 win instead. It was a good game but I know I have to see what the rest of you wizards think about this one, so I can have some piece of mind. I'll be fine, and ready to play tomorrow morning regardless. It's not a big deal, I only dropped two BBs. | ||
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| Re: Side pot situation, shorn, 1. Oct 2003 05:12 | ||
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| Andrew- I think you made the right fold here. Your thought process indicated that you weren't sure whether either of your cards were actually good, so it is probably better to move on to the next hand. The all-in player could have easily made it $45 to go with TT or another pocket pair because he was ready to go home. And, in my opinion, the live one being in the hand with that ragged a board actually increased the chances that you were behind with no pair. Don't lose any sleep over this one. Steve | ||
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| Re: Side pot situation, Andrew Wells, 1. Oct 2003 17:55 | ||
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| The live one was back again today, and took the open ten seat on my left. I could have moved there myself, but I prefer the view from the nine seat over position on this guy since he isn't aggressive. I still blew it again by not engaging Mr. live one in conversation. It's my job to be nice to someone like that, and instead I impersonated a clam. I could have talked to him. "Where are you from? Do you play poker a lot? You were doing great when I left yesterday. What business are you in? Oh, you're here for three days with the convention in town. Want to know where the best steakhouse is? If the Red Sox had a bullpen, they could probably go all the way this time. Do you know anybody that got sent to Iraq?" Well he proceeds to quickly dump a rack into the local poker economy while I get dealt nothing but trash. I can see him at the cage trying for another buy-in, but the asinine Missouri Gaming Commission will only allow a player to lose $500 in any two hours. Oh well. The story has a happy ending though. Shortly thereafter I caught back to back nut flushes on the river, and indirectly ended up with his nickel anyway. Yes, life is good Roy. | ||
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| Re: Side pot situation, LJH, 1. Oct 2003 13:20 | ||
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| ANDREW, I READ AND RE-READ YOUR POST AND I CAN MAKE NO SENSE OF IT. ALL YOU HAWAS AQS AND NOTHING CAME ON THE FLOP TO HELP YOU,SO WHY WERE YOU STILL IN THE HAND? LJH | ||
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| Re: Side pot situation, Andrew Wells, 1. Oct 2003 17:38 | ||
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| We had $190 in the pot on the flop, and I was for practical purposes playing against blind hands with the real threat all-in. It looked to me like I would have the best hand against both these players if I could catch top pair on the turn. I also thought that had some chance of taking the main pot. If I did catch top pair, I knew the live player would call the turn and river with any pair. I'm also about 13:1 to make either the nut flush, wheel, or tree-top (I have the maximum possible backdoor chances with this flop, although the wheel could be a split and a king or jack may have just been interchanging outs). I didn't want to check the flop because if I picked up extra outs I would have to call a bet on the turn. I bet the flop looking to freeze up the action on the turn, and to have a side pot available if caught top pair. | ||
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