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 NL holdem Tourney, battling back from T200 chips., Eman, 30. Sep 2003 08:41 | ||
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| I played in a $30 Buy in NL Holdem tourney on UB the other day. I thought I played well but busted out with a hand I thought I was going to win. Let me know if I played it wrong. After the 3rd hand of the tourney im down to about T200 chips. I called someones preflop allin bet. I had AA he had QQ and hit a Q on the board. So now im at the bottom of the barrell. I slowly build my chips up. Won two allin hands that gave me some room to breath. Stole a couple pots after the flop just with overcards and an all-in bet. Im pleased with my game and made my stack to 1800 after the first break. Around 80 players left and im in around 40th place. Average is over 2000 and the leaders are up around 7000. (i think blinds were 50/100). The table was kinda tight/aggressive, alot of blind stealing, rarely went to the river. I get dealt Kc9c in the BB. UTG calls the BB, Later position calls, SB calls, I raise the min. UTG calls, LP calls SB folds. FLop is three way. FLOP: Ac, Ks, 7c raingow. So now i know im beat right here with either one of them having an ace but im four to the nut flush and medium pair. I bet out 100, UTG raises to 200, LP folds, I call.. TURN: 4h (no help to either), I check, UTG checks. That absolutely baffles me???? If he had made a significant bet, i would have folded. RIVER: is 9h (board A, K, 7, 4, 9 rainbow). I push allin with the rest of my chips (only about 1400 to his 4000) I was hoping to take the pot right there, but wasnt too afraid of his calling me either. He calls and turns over A9 for the better two pair. Im busted out after battling for over an hour from last with only 200 or so chips all the way up to 1800, and now im done. Did I play that right or was i wrong to push my allin. | ||
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| Re: NL holdem Tourney, battling back from T200 chips., Grateful Rooster, 30. Sep 2003 09:30 | ||
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| Looks like a tough call to me. You read his hand correctly as AAX after the flop, but had good outs to make the call. You played 4th nice and conservative, so can't fault you there. Your river play was a tough play though. Depends on your opponent and overall tourney strategy, I think. Opponent: How aggressive has he been in the past? Does he slow play aggressive opponents? How is his stack relative to yours? He could have been trying to let you hang yourself with the check on the turn, if he'd already hit two pair or trips. Not a good play with the draw possibility, but he could play it that way looking for a big payoff. The AAX is still the best read, though. Strategy: if you're going for a win, then pressing your read is a reasonable call IMHO. But, going to the mattress with the second 2 pair goes against the conventional wisdom that dictates riding into the money. Even if you read an edge right, you can still get taken out by a bad beat. If you want the $$ I think you make a smaller bet out on the river. If you want the win, you press all your edges. But, then you're probably more experienced than me (see above post), and you paid nothing for this advice. In the end, it appears you read the hand correctly, but still got beat by the hard to read 9 kicker. -GR on 30. Sep 2003 08:41 Eman wrote: > I played in a $30 Buy in NL Holdem tourney on UB the other day. I thought I > played well but busted out with a hand I thought I was going to win. Let me > know if I played it wrong. > After the 3rd hand of the tourney im down to about T200 chips. I called > someones preflop allin bet. I had AA he had QQ and hit a Q on the board. So now > im at the bottom of the barrell. I slowly build my chips up. Won two allin > hands that gave me some room to breath. Stole a couple pots after the flop just > with overcards and an all-in bet. Im pleased with my game and made my stack to > 1800 after the first break. Around 80 players left and im in around 40th place. > Average is over 2000 and the leaders are up around 7000. (i think blinds were > 50/100). The table was kinda tight/aggressive, alot of blind stealing, rarely > went to the river. I get dealt Kc9c in the BB. UTG calls the BB, Later position > calls, SB calls, I raise the min. UTG calls, LP calls SB folds. FLop is three > way. > FLOP: Ac, Ks, 7c raingow. > So now i know im beat right here with either one of them having an ace but im > four to the nut flush and medium pair. I bet out 100, UTG raises to 200, LP > folds, I call.. > TURN: 4h (no help to either), I check, UTG checks. That absolutely baffles > me???? If he had made a significant bet, i would have folded. > RIVER: is 9h (board A, K, 7, 4, 9 rainbow). > I push allin with the rest of my chips (only about 1400 to his 4000) > I was hoping to take the pot right there, but wasnt too afraid of his calling > me either. He calls and turns over A9 for the better two pair. > Im busted out after battling for over an hour from last with only 200 or so > chips all the way up to 1800, and now im done. > > Did I play that right or was i wrong to push my allin. | ||
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| Re: NL holdem Tourney, battling back from T200 chips., Schuster, 30. Sep 2003 09:50 | ||
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| I'm confused... why did you raise the min from the big blind? Why did you bet so small on the flop? It's like you're representing a monster, but then you follow it up with nothing. Your hand is subpar at best, and you're putting more money into the pot when no one is going to fold. Then you hit a flop that is decent. You should bet hard or go away. On the river, you either have the winning hand or you don't. Will he call you if you are winning? In this spot, I'd try to sell my two pair for what I could get. 1400 is still a big chunk out of a 4000 stack. I'd be pretty gunshy about calling a bet that big. Don't be happy with just taking what is there if you are convinced that you are boss. Milk him for every dime you can get. When you bet on the river, it should be for one of two reasons. Either you want a worse hand to call, or a better hand to fold. Which one did you have in mind? It sounds to me like you need to think more about why you are doing things. It seems like the preflop raise was just an impulse, and you weren't clear why you made the river play that you did. Ask yourself "why" at every opportunity and your game will get a lot better. Good luck Eman! Lee | ||
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| Re: NL holdem Tourney, battling back from T200 chips., Eman, 30. Sep 2003 10:46 | ||
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| Well, I raised preflop because I hate when the SB catches cards on the flop. The SB was very tight and short stacked, i figured hed fold for a raise and he did. Three way hand is much better than four. I pushed allin becase i read him for a pair of aces. You can rule out AK, cause he would of raised it preflop. He was a very tight and aggressive player. Didnt show aggression, just the one raise after the flop. My read on him was AJ AQ or A10. If I checkd the river and he bet out, I still would have raised him all in. If I checked and he pushed allin, i probably would have folded. | ||
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| Re: NL holdem Tourney, battling back from T200 chips., Schuster, 30. Sep 2003 12:07 | ||
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| But the small blind is getting the same odds to call your raise as he was originally getting to complete the big blind, and this time he is sure he is closing the action. Unless the blinds are the 2 chip 3 chip structure, I think it's an error to fold the small blind for a min raise by the big blind. And on top of that, you're investing 100 more chips out of your stack to get one less player in the hand *IF* he has a marginal hand. He's not going to fold if he has a good hand, and if someone comes over the top of you, you're going to wish you had played it differently. In no limit poker, especially tournament settings, it's usually a bad idea to bet or raise if you would hate to be reraised. You have the option to see a free flop with a very marginal hand, I would take it, but maybe it's just me. Lee | ||
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| Re: NL holdem Tourney, battling back from T200 chips., Jav, 30. Sep 2003 16:06 | ||
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| > In no limit poker, especially tournament settings, it's usually a bad idea to bet or raise if > you would hate to be reraised. You have the option to see a free flop with a very marginal > hand, I would take it, but maybe it's just me. > > Lee One thing I disagree with is that it's a mistake to bet if you are afraid to be raised. I think sometimes it's fine to put in a bet if you think there's a good chance your opponent (I would only do this against a single opponent under normal circumstances) will fold. Even if you have nothing. Sometimes I think it's okay to raise as well (for instance if you see a typical player put in a weak raise). But if you are doing this, you need to know you are only bluffing; and only do it in a circumstance where you think there is a very good chance it will work. And you also need to be able to get away if you are re-raised. | ||
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| Re: NL holdem Tourney, battling back from T200 chips., Schuster, 30. Sep 2003 16:34 | ||
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| Well that's the idea. If you're bluffing, you won't care about being raised because you can throw your hand away without a thought. If your hand is very strong, you won't mind being raised as you probably have the raiser beat. But say you have something like top pair, top kicker, and nut flush draw after the turn. If it's checked to you, betting may be a mistake because you would really hate to be raised in this spot. A tricky opponent might have you beat, he might be trying to move your off your hand, and even if he does have you beat, you have a lot of outs to improve. I would hate to be raised here because I could see a free flop with a hand that could hit hard enough to really pick up some chips. Lee | ||
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