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 Should I have played this differently?, Ostebovik, 29. Sep 2003 16:00 | ||
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| Playing 5/10 with some regulars and some new players I don't recognize. the players I do recognize are solid for the most part some of which are 20/40 refugees. I'm in MP w/ 88. UTG +1 limps and I raise both to try to limit the field and for deception. I feel that I can get everyone behind me out as the table has gone suddenly passive. almost as if they're scared to play anything that's not Group 1 hands. It is in fact folded to BB who calls and the limper calls. The BB is a solid 5/10 reg w/ whom I've played a lot recently and the limper is a 20/40 refugee. The flop comes 78J rainbow. A little too coordinated for my liking. BB bets and limper calls and I raise wanting to charge for draws. BB 3bets me, limper folds and I cap it thinking he might be semi bluffing w/ a draw or caught 2 pair. Turn is Q and he bets out. I'm thining now that he might have 9T and flopped it so I just call. (Was a raise here called for?) River is A and he bets out again and I call. He shows down 77 for a smaller set and I take down a nice pot. I just wonder if I could have played it better or made a better read on his hand - something I struggle w/ from all the time playing LL. Suggestions? Comments? Thanks in advance | ||
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| Re: Should I have played this differently?, KJo, 29. Sep 2003 16:34 | ||
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| You played it fine as far as I'm concerned, so did he. The other player likely thought you had an overpair. With that much aggression shown on the flop though, I'd also be a bit worried on the turn and I'd be happy just to call it down. With that much aggression and betting out on the turn, I'd think he has to have either a set (two of which will beat you, and people have done trickier things than not raise JJ or QQ pre-flop) or a straight. Probably not two pair unless its 87, but that would be a tricky hand to show that much aggression with. Eli on 29. Sep 2003 16:00 Ostebovik wrote: > Playing 5/10 with some regulars and some new players I don't recognize. the > players I do recognize are solid for the most part some of which are 20/40 > refugees. > > I'm in MP w/ 88. UTG +1 limps and I raise both to try to limit the field and > for deception. I feel that I can get everyone behind me out as the table has > gone suddenly passive. almost as if they're scared to play anything that's not > Group 1 hands. > > It is in fact folded to BB who calls and the limper calls. The BB is a solid > 5/10 reg w/ whom I've played a lot recently and the limper is a 20/40 refugee. > > The flop comes 78J rainbow. A little too coordinated for my liking. BB bets > and limper calls and I raise wanting to charge for draws. > > BB 3bets me, limper folds and I cap it thinking he might be semi bluffing w/ a > draw or caught 2 pair. > > Turn is Q and he bets out. I'm thining now that he might have 9T and flopped > it so I just call. (Was a raise here called for?) > > River is A and he bets out again and I call. > > He shows down 77 for a smaller set and I take down a nice pot. > > I just wonder if I could have played it better or made a better read on his > hand - something I struggle w/ from all the time playing LL. > > Suggestions? Comments? > > Thanks in advance | ||
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| Re: Should I have played this differently?, noiseboy, 29. Sep 2003 16:53 | ||
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| I would go ahead and raise it again on the turn, if he comes back over again then you can shut down and just call to the end. Even if he has the Str8 you still have some outs, and there are a lot of other strong hands he can have that you will beat, like 2 pair, a smaller set, or a big pair in the hole. I flopped a set of 88's last night and this guy kept coming after me with AA's in the hole, after getting reraised on the turn, I just called and missed out on more bets. I thought for certain he had a higher set, but set over set just doesn't happen very often, and when it does you are going to lose a bunch of chips. | ||
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| Re: Should I have played this differently?, Eihli, 29. Sep 2003 21:05 | ||
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| If you flop a set and don't lose a lot of money on it, then you played it wrong. | ||
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| Re: Should I have played this differently?, MozMan, 29. Sep 2003 18:18 | ||
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| I don't think there is anything wrong with the way you played this hand. A set is very difficult to read, and he also had no idea you were on a set. His betting was designed to take control of the hand, figuring your betting would be ballistic if you flopped the str8, but wanting you to pay if you were drawing. -Moz "The Queen is dead, boys, and it's so lonely on a limb." | ||
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| Re: Should I have played this differently?, modestmouse, 29. Sep 2003 20:47 | ||
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| i disagree that a set or PP in this spot is hard to read. seemed like he had either set or KK, AA judging by how he bet and the tightness of his play i did not believe he had 9-10 or that he was drawing to nut srt with k-10 (woulda been runner runner) so what very stong hand could he have? on 29. Sep 2003 18:18 MozMan wrote: > I don't think there is anything wrong with the way you played this hand. A set is > very difficult to read, and he also had no idea you were on a set. His betting was > designed to take control of the hand, figuring your betting would be ballistic if you > flopped the str8, but wanting you to pay if you were drawing. > > -Moz > > "The Queen is dead, boys, and it's so lonely on a limb." | ||
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| Re: Should I have played this differently?, Palinya, 30. Sep 2003 14:10 | ||
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| Wow! a Morrissey quote! Nice! | ||
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| Re: Should I have played this differently?, modestmouse, 30. Sep 2003 14:15 | ||
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| which song? im missing it. "stop me uh uh oh stopme, stop me if you think you heard this one before"... on 30. Sep 2003 14:10 Palinya wrote: > Wow! a Morrissey quote! > > Nice! | ||
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| Re: Should I have played this differently?, modestmouse, 30. Sep 2003 14:23 | ||
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| oh, duh, mozman..... on 30. Sep 2003 14:15 modestmouse wrote: > which song? im missing it. "stop me uh uh oh stopme, stop me if you think you heard this one > before"... > > on 30. Sep 2003 14:10 Palinya wrote: > > Wow! a Morrissey quote! > > > > Nice! | ||
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| Re: Should I have played this differently?, Palinya, 30. Sep 2003 14:32 | ||
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| http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000002LCX/ref=pd_sim_music_3/104-7551011-7424715?v=glance&s=music track 5 is "Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before" http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000002L9J/ref=pd_sim_music_2/104-7551011-7424715?v=glance&s=music track 1 is "Queen is Dead"... it's a Smith's song I was sort of wrong "Charles don't you ever crave to appear on the front of the Daily Mail, dressed in your mother's bridal veil?" | ||
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| Re: Should I have played this differently?, modestmouse, 30. Sep 2003 14:36 | ||
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| yeah, i wasnt going to correct anyone, there is enough of that in the poker posting! on 30. Sep 2003 14:32 Palinya wrote: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000002LCX/ref=pd_sim_music_3/104-7551011-7424715?v=gl > ance&s=music > > track 5 is "Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before" > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000002L9J/ref=pd_sim_music_2/104-7551011-7424715?v=g > lance&s=music > > track 1 is "Queen is Dead"... it's a Smith's song I was sort of wrong > > "Charles don't you ever crave to appear on the front of the Daily Mail, dressed in your mother's > bridal veil?" | ||
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| Re: Should I have played this differently?, MozMan, 30. Sep 2003 18:57 | ||
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| Yup! I'm a big fan of The Moz (hence my handle). You are the first to ever catch that! :) -Moz "The Queen is dead, boys, and it's so lonely on a limb." | ||
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| Re: Should I have played this differently?, Jav, 1. Oct 2003 13:45 | ||
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| I wear black on the outside, because black is how I feel on the inside. Lol. | ||
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| Re: Should I have played this differently?, modestmouse, 29. Sep 2003 20:42 | ||
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| well played. i actually suspected a set over set based on your comments. u said they seemed to pnly play group 1 hands and i guess u were right, at least 77 is better than j-9, which i didnt think he held. i thought JJ or other PP. on 29. Sep 2003 16:00 Ostebovik wrote: > Playing 5/10 with some regulars and some new players I don't recognize. the > players I do recognize are solid for the most part some of which are 20/40 > refugees. > > I'm in MP w/ 88. UTG +1 limps and I raise both to try to limit the field and > for deception. I feel that I can get everyone behind me out as the table has > gone suddenly passive. almost as if they're scared to play anything that's not > Group 1 hands. > > It is in fact folded to BB who calls and the limper calls. The BB is a solid > 5/10 reg w/ whom I've played a lot recently and the limper is a 20/40 refugee. > > The flop comes 78J rainbow. A little too coordinated for my liking. BB bets > and limper calls and I raise wanting to charge for draws. > > BB 3bets me, limper folds and I cap it thinking he might be semi bluffing w/ a > draw or caught 2 pair. > > Turn is Q and he bets out. I'm thining now that he might have 9T and flopped > it so I just call. (Was a raise here called for?) > > River is A and he bets out again and I call. > > He shows down 77 for a smaller set and I take down a nice pot. > > I just wonder if I could have played it better or made a better read on his > hand - something I struggle w/ from all the time playing LL. > > Suggestions? Comments? > > Thanks in advance | ||
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| Re: Should I have played this differently?, modestmouse, 29. Sep 2003 20:43 | ||
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| meant 9-10, not j10 | ||
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