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 Would you show a great hand if you weren't called?, INSINK, 28. Sep 2003 21:02 | ||
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| I play a tight aggresive game, ( limit HLM 15-30, or 20-40 )and at times will show my cards if not called......pocket AA, KK, QQ.....the thought is to create fear...when I raise you better have the goods , or fold boys! I'll do this to set up a bluff or 2 if I have pocket 4's...etc.......any comments on the pros' and cons' of this strategy? Cheers, INSINK | ||
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| Re: Would you show a great hand if you weren't called?, Andrew Wells, 28. Sep 2003 21:23 | ||
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| It's probably too obvious why you are showing the big hand. When someone does this, the first thing that I think of is that they are likely trying to set up some later bluffs. | ||
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| Re: Would you show a great hand if you weren't called?, 4 POKER, 29. Sep 2003 05:33 | ||
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| Hi, By being tight and aggresive is good enough all on its own. imo, there's no need to show your cards. Keep them guessing and let them make the incorrect calls against you. You 'want' them in there when you play a tight/solid game. I think showing your cards can hurt you and it can be used against you by certain types of players. Especially if the information you're providing is always "correct" information! But if you're going to do it so you can set up future bluffs........then make sure you're going to show your bluffs as well, and that you feel comfortable and confident enough about your game to do it. Making the blufff AND showing the bluff, and having it to work in your favor against your opponents; ( when I say "favor", I don't mean being able to take down the pot on a bluff). I mean.... that you're able to feel that in NO way, that by doing something like that .......that it's going to extract/hurt your tight/aggresive game in any way. If you can do 'all' that and still feel good (confident) about being at the table.....then do it. Otherwise........don't show your cards at ALL.......not even the good ones; because (sometimes, it has a way of turning around and biting you in the A**! be aware of what your trying to accomplish in its entirty....that's all). 4P- | ||
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| Re: Would you show a great hand if you weren't called?, Easy E, 29. Sep 2003 13:01 | ||
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| " Keep them guessing and let them make the incorrect calls against you" One minor counterpoint- I think it was Badger who wrote something along the lines of - you don't want your opponents guessing, in which case they can guess correctly sometimes. You want them set up to where you can control their actions in a predictible manner. | ||
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| Re: Would you show a great hand if you weren't called?, THWebl, 29. Sep 2003 09:50 | ||
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| When someone shows aa, kk, or qq, i immediately think how many other times the pllayer chose not to show. Before I wouldn't have any idea what you had, now I'm thinking you didn't have premium hands, because you show the big ones. Same principle applies for people who show they had absolutely nothing when they fold. If they show the nothing, then its more likely they have something when they don't show. Its not much, but it is information imo. | ||
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| Re: Would you show a great hand if you weren't called?, Barry T, 29. Sep 2003 12:13 | ||
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| Hi. Never show your hand. Information at poker is a commodity, and you should charge for it. To give it away for free in silly,. I will doing an article on this within the next few months. BarryT | ||
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| Re: Would you show a great hand if you weren't called?, Palinya, 29. Sep 2003 13:09 | ||
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| I heard a dealer last weekend on a 3/6 table suggest that you show ALWAYS show your hand and let the dealer figure out who won... that way the player doesn't miss things like straights or flushes that they didn't realize they had. I was shocked | ||
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| Re: Would you show a great hand if you weren't called?, MozMan, 29. Sep 2003 18:34 | ||
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| That's actually a good tip for inexperienced players who are playing with other inexperienced players who won't know what to do with the information anyway. I have told people this before, with the caviat that when their skills improve and they are more comfortable at the table, they should stop showing their hands. -Moz "The Queen is dead, boys, and it's so lonely on a limb." | ||
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| Re: Would you show a great hand if you weren't called?, MozMan, 29. Sep 2003 18:39 | ||
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| An excellent point; if they want to see your hand, they have to pay for the priviledge. I had a situation a couple weeks ago where I was playing a hand and ended up heads-up with the guy next to me. We were getting along well, and there was good banter at the table. By the river he had figured out that I had outdrawn him on the turn and his 2nd best hand was no good. So, on the river, he checks (I had position) and holds out his hand, and says, "I got top two pair, did you make that straight?" I simply put out a bet, and said, "Maybe," with a smile and a wink. He says, "Oh, I see. You need the extra money so bad? Fine." And he called! He would never have know for *sure* if I had what I represented without paying for the information. He respected that, too, and we were still very friendly for the rest of the game. -Moz "The Queen is dead, boys, and it's so lonely on a limb." | ||
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| Re: Would you show a great hand if you weren't called?, Andrew Wells, 29. Sep 2003 19:55 | ||
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| I like that. Earlier this year I had an opponent reraise me on the river when the board had two pairs, and then turn over his hand (top full) expecting me to have the same thing. He got raised back. This time I happened to have turned the small quads. Whenever someone does that I'm always going to put in another raise even if we are tied, assuming the rake is maxed out. | ||
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| Re: Would you show a great hand if you weren't called?, LJH, 29. Sep 2003 12:49 | ||
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| INSINK, I DO NOT THINK IT ADDS TO YOUR MYSTIQUE. IF YOU HAVE WEEK OPPOSITION THEY WILL NOT LEARN FROOM IT NOR BE AFRAID OF YOU. AND THE EXPERTS WILL NOT BE FOOLED. LLJH | ||
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| However, if you are going to tighten up afterwards...., Easy E, 29. Sep 2003 12:59 | ||
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| you may or may not suck in the experienced players somewhat..... I agree with all of the posters that said that showing the big cards is not going to help your bluffing success, except possibly against medium-talent players (poor players won't think about it, good players will discredit its value). | ||
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| Re: Would you show a great hand if you weren't called?, ADAM THE EXPERT, 29. Sep 2003 21:11 | ||
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| OK, ADAM THE EXPERT WILL NOW GIVE YOU THE DIFINATIVE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION. FIRST OF ALL, THE VERY FACT THAT YOU ARE DOING THIS, SHOWS THAT YOU ARE THINKING BEYOND THE "KEEP THIS, THROW THAT" MENTALITY THAT SO MANY PLAYERS THINK IN AND OF ITSELF, WILL MAKE THEM A WINNER. SHOWING STRATEGY, IS PRETTY BASIC. YOU MOST CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO THINK THAT YOU JUST NEVER SHOW, THAT'S AN OVER-SIMPLIFICATION. THE NOTION THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY TO SEE, IS ALSO AN INCORRECT OVER-SIMPLIFICATION. IT'S TRUE THAT SOMETIMES, SOMEONE WILL CALL, JUST TO SEE WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE HOLE, WITH NO HOPE OF WINNING THE POT. BUT, IT'S ALSO TRUE, THAT PEOPLE CAN BE MANIPULATED INTO MAKING THE WRONG FUTURE DECISIONS, BY HAVING A PLAYER SHOW HIS(HER) CARDS. THE KEY IS, KNOWING WHEN NOT SHOWING, SHOWING GOOD HANDS, OR SHOWING BLUFFS, IS GOING TO BE THE MOST PROFITABLE. IN GENERAL, IN LIMIT HOLD EM, IT'S BEST TO ONLY SHOW MONSTERS. NOT A STARTING HAND, BUT A COMPLETE HAND. SO YOU STEAL A TINY POT, BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK YOU HAVE A PREMIUM PAIR, BIG DEAL. BUT, IF YOU CAN BUY A LARGE POT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED IN THE OPPONENTS' MINDS, THAT YOU NEVER BET WITHOUT A BIG DUKE, THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR, FROM YOUR SHOWING STRATEGY. IN OTHER GAMES, THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE. IN OMAHA, AND BIG BET GAMES, YOU WANT TO SHOW THE BLUFFS RUB IT IN, BIGTIME. THEN HOURS, DAYS, OR EVEN MONTHS LATER, YOU MAY MAKE THOUSANDS, FROM SOMEONE YOU BLUFFED, AND THEN RUBBED IN THE BLUFF. I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M GIVING MY TOP SECRET INFORMATION OUT FOR FREE, YOU SHOULD BE PAYING SEVERAL HUNDRED AN HOUR FOR THIS. I GUESS I'M CRAZY. REMEMBER, BEING A WINNING PLAYER, IS NOT POPULAR. SURE, YOU CAN MAKE OK MONEY, JUST BE FOLLOWING PROPER HAND AND BETTING STRATEGY. BUT IF YOU WANT TO THROW THE ONE BIG BET AND HOUR TOTALLY OUT THE WINDOW, AND MAKE TWO TO THREE TIMES THAT, YOU WILL NEED TO DO THINGS, THAT WILL MAKE YOU A VERY UNPOPULAR PERSON. THE ENTIRE CHARACTER OF ADAM THE EXPERT, IS JUST THAT A CHARACTER. BUT IT MAKES A TON. I CAN EVEN TELL PEOPLE WHAT I'M DOING, AND IT STILL WORKS SO, DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT, SMALL MONEY, AND POPULARITY. OR BIG MONEY, AND EVERYONE HATES YOU. ADAM THE EXPERT | ||
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| Re: Would you show a great hand if you weren't called?, Roy Cooke, 30. Sep 2003 06:42 | ||
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| Hi INSINK The only time I will show a hand is when I am setting up an image to make future plays on a person. I:E: If I have pounded on an opponents blind and he consistently folded, I might show him a real hand if I think he is thinking I might be stealing from him (I don't know how anyone would ever get an idea like that :-) and wish to continue robbing him. You should only show an opponent who will not see through the reasons you are showing him. Roy Cooke on 28. Sep 2003 21:02 INSINK wrote: > I play a tight aggresive game, ( limit HLM 15-30, or 20-40 )and at times will > show my cards if not called......pocket AA, KK, QQ.....the thought is to create > fear...when I raise you better have the goods , or fold boys! > > I'll do this to set up a bluff or 2 if I have pocket 4's...etc.......any > comments on the pros' and cons' of this strategy? > > Cheers, > > INSINK | ||
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| Re: Would you show a great hand if you weren't called?, Pedro, 30. Sep 2003 06:50 | ||
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| I never show hands in ring games however in tournament play, I usually will show the big stack my hand cause I don't want him chasing against me. Last thing I need is to be out of the tournament cause he chased and caught the river straight. I will never show a bluff, I want people believing that I have the best hand, when I bet. | ||
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