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 I want to learn 7 card stud., Eihli, 28. Sep 2003 02:07 | ||
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| Does anyone have any books or websites that can help me? | ||
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| Re: I want to learn 7 card stud., JohnnyG113, 28. Sep 2003 04:58 | ||
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| try www.wilsonsw.com and download the 7 stud demo | ||
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| Re: I want to learn 7 card stud., NCD, 29. Sep 2003 00:43 | ||
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| Stud was my first real game. Before undertaking it, you really need to understand something: Stud is FAR more complex than Hold 'Em. This is because each player has thier own cards, which must be taken into consideration... this means you have to know the odds of making your hand, know how those odds decrease as your outs appear in other people's hands, know the hands they might be able to make, remember if some of their outs were folded by another player and then measure your hand to theirs and determine if you can win. Oh, did I mention track the odds of making your hand vs. pot odds too? It's a lot to juggle at once. Here's an example: You start with 8 players and you are dealt A J 7, all diamonds. 3 people fold. On 4th you catch the 2d and see the Kd go to another player, and 2 more fold. On 5th you get the Ac and no other diamonds come out, one more folds. Now.... what are your odds of making the flush on 6th? How many flush outs do you have and did you see any other aces? 8 people are dealt 3 cards... 10 cards are known. 3 diamonds are accounted for, all yours. Then 5 people are dealt 1 card... now 15 cards are known and 2 more diamonds showed up. Then 3 people are dealt 1 card... now 18 cards are gone and no more diamonds showed up, but you paired your ace. 13 diamonds - 5 that are out =8 unaccounted for. 52 cards - 18 known cards= 34 unknown cards remain. Your shot of hitting the flush is now 8/34 or around 1 in 4, also known as 3:1 Don't forget the two aces... this gives you 2 Aces + 8 diamonds for 10 outs. 10 outs in 34 cards = 10/34 = 5/17 or roughly 1 / 3.3 chance of getting any of your outs on 6th. Now... even if you hit, will it be good enough? What is your only surviving opponent showing? Was he leading the betting from bad postion or clinging from the button? Has he raised more than once? What paint does he have and have you seen his outs get folded by others? Is he showing anything close to a straight or flush draw? Ask yourself, why has HE stayed in this? What is he working with? If his hand looks like an abomination... be afraid, be very afraid. If his hand looks pathetic and he's still there, then there's a reason he's stayed and you can't see what it is!!! Now you're trying to hit a flush and have no idea what it has to beat even if you make it. Welcome to stud... it's a game for strategists who like to go half crazy with "what if's". It's a great game and takes a true master to really play it to it's potential... but it can really drive you crazy sometimes. Hold 'Em lacks this complexity and sophistication... but it has some strange complexities of it's own. All in all, Hold 'Em is an easier game to get good with, but stud might be the favorite of good chess players. Good luck! NCD | ||
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| Re: I want to learn 7 card stud., Formless, 29. Sep 2003 05:21 | ||
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| The only stud book I have is 7 Card Stud for Advanced Players, by Malmuth. Sklansky, and Zee. It's very good, but geared toward experienced players. Many people swear by Roy West's book but I haven't read it. Check out www.conjelco.com, you will find what you are looking for there. I think the best thing to do is to buy Turbo 7 Card Stud from Wilson software. | ||
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| Re: I want to learn 7 card stud., kennycatkiller, 12. Oct 2003 21:44 | ||
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| There are all kinds of books available to help you learn to play 7 Card Stud well. Further, almost all the sites have a primer on how the game is played. Try Roy West's book "Seven Card Stud", which is available from CardPlayer Magazine, 3140 S.Polaris Avenue, Suite #8, Las Vegas, NV 89102 ($24.95 plus S&H). Kennycatkiller | ||
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