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 the very definition of a calling station, KJo, 27. Sep 2003 21:01 | ||
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| Just wanted to share a funny from playing today. We had two completely live ones at our 6-12 table, one of whom was without a doubt the worst player I'd ever seen. The other one though, he was great in his own right: I have AKo, it goes heads up between us, i'm betting into him. Flop gives me nothing, but I bet into him on flop, turn and river (I had my reasons). He calls each time. When he calls my river bet, I fully expect to be beat since I've been bluffing. He turns over A5, he's got nothing and was bluffing too, and my AK bluff wins. Moral of the story for the new players out there- do not bluff by CALLING, this guy seemed to be unclear on the concept. And if you can't even beat a bluff, don't call. Cracked me up. Eli | ||
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| Re: the very definition of a calling station, cafferacer, 27. Sep 2003 21:04 | ||
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| man, thats funny. goes to show situational play is important. normally doing what u did is not good. | ||
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| Re: the very definition of a calling station, Schuster, 27. Sep 2003 21:31 | ||
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| Even more important, why are you betting an unimproved AK on the river? You'll be called with any pair that has gone this far and any sane opponent will fold a worse hand. It's a big leak for a lot of players, you really should examine your river play with unimproved ace high hands. Middle limit hold'em by Ciaffone and Brier has a lot of good examples of just how to play this type of hand. Good luck to you Eli. Lee | ||
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| Re: the very definition of a calling station, cafferacer, 27. Sep 2003 21:34 | ||
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| jeez man, lighten up. it was supposed to be funny. i think he realizes that betting the river with zip is not good. who doesnt know that on this forum. ok, ok, maybe a few. lol on 27. Sep 2003 21:31 Schuster wrote: > Even more important, why are you betting an unimproved AK on the river? You'll be > called with any pair that has gone this far and any sane opponent will fold a worse > hand. It's a big leak for a lot of players, you really should examine your river > play with unimproved ace high hands. Middle limit hold'em by Ciaffone and Brier has > a lot of good examples of just how to play this type of hand. Good luck to you > Eli. > > Lee | ||
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| Re: the very definition of a calling station, Schuster, 27. Sep 2003 21:39 | ||
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| on 27. Sep 2003 21:34 cafferacer wrote: > jeez man, lighten up. it was supposed to be funny. i think he realizes that betting the > river with zip is not good. who doesnt know that on this forum. ok, ok, maybe a few. lol The problem is that he doesn't have zip, he has AK high, and depending on the board, it might be a bad mistake to check and fold. As far as who doesn't know that, seemingly a lot of people, at least if the tables I play at are any indication. It is funny that his opponent called with what he did, I agree, but 99 out of 100, this is a bad bet on the river. Lee | ||
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| Re: the very definition of a calling station, cafferacer, 27. Sep 2003 22:10 | ||
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| your response just confuses me more. you still miss the point of his post. he said it was a funny story. it was funny. you said to read a book on how to play his hand better, i said u miss the point that he was joking. hello?? on 27. Sep 2003 21:39 Schuster wrote: > on 27. Sep 2003 21:34 cafferacer wrote: > > jeez man, lighten up. it was supposed to be funny. i think he realizes that betting the > > river with zip is not good. who doesnt know that on this forum. ok, ok, maybe a few. lol > > > The problem is that he doesn't have zip, he has AK high, and depending on the board, it might > be a bad mistake to check and fold. As far as who doesn't know that, seemingly a lot of > people, at least if the tables I play at are any indication. It is funny that his opponent > called with what he did, I agree, but 99 out of 100, this is a bad bet on the river. > > Lee | ||
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| Re: the very definition of a calling station, Schuster, 27. Sep 2003 22:19 | ||
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| I understood the joke. The calling station was bad. I've seen players call when they're playing the board just to see what the other guy had. It's quite funny. But, in the post, I spotted what might be a leak and thought I would speak up. Maybe it's not a leak, maybe he had a very good reason for betting on the river. He didn't post the hand, but I thought I would speak up anyway. If I made a humorous post that contained a possible leak, I would want someone to speak up about it, regardless of the theme of the original post. Lee | ||
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| Re: the very definition of a calling station, cafferacer, 27. Sep 2003 22:39 | ||
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| cool! i understand. on 27. Sep 2003 22:19 Schuster wrote: > I understood the joke. The calling station was bad. I've seen players call when they're playing the > board just to see what the other guy had. It's quite funny. But, in the post, I spotted what might be a > leak and thought I would speak up. Maybe it's not a leak, maybe he had a very good reason for betting on > the river. He didn't post the hand, but I thought I would speak up anyway. If I made a humorous post > that contained a possible leak, I would want someone to speak up about it, regardless of the theme of the > original post. > > Lee | ||
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| Re: the very definition of a calling station, cafferacer, 27. Sep 2003 21:36 | ||
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| i need to read a book about what to do with AK on the river with nothing. lol | ||
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| Re: the very definition of a calling station, cafferacer, 27. Sep 2003 21:37 | ||
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| checkraise!!! | ||
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| Re: the very definition of a calling station, KJo, 27. Sep 2003 22:42 | ||
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| Alright, for the record so that we can all get along, I bet the river because I thought he had a busted draw, but I also knew that even a busted draw might have been able to beat me. The only way I (normally) could have won that hand was to bet it and get him to fold a slightly better hand than mine. He wasn't a calling station until that hand, he would still put too many bets in but abandon them later. I wasn't expecting a call on the river. Eli on 27. Sep 2003 21:01 KJo wrote: > Just wanted to share a funny from playing today. We had two completely live > ones at our 6-12 table, one of whom was without a doubt the worst player I'd > ever seen. The other one though, he was great in his own right: > > I have AKo, it goes heads up between us, i'm betting into him. Flop gives me > nothing, but I bet into him on flop, turn and river (I had my reasons). He > calls each time. When he calls my river bet, I fully expect to be beat since > I've been bluffing. He turns over A5, he's got nothing and was bluffing too, > and my AK bluff wins. > > Moral of the story for the new players out there- do not bluff by CALLING, this > guy seemed to be unclear on the concept. And if you can't even beat a bluff, > don't call. Cracked me up. > > Eli | ||
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| Re: the very definition of a calling station, PairTheBoard, 27. Sep 2003 23:40 | ||
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| **Blush** That could have been me calling on the River. In fact I made just such a play the other day, calling with A5 after missing my draw. I made my opponent to be a compulsive bluffer and figured I had pot odds that he had raised prefop with something like KQ - or worse - and didn't want to show down against an Ace. Unfortunately he had the AK. oops | ||
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| Re: the very definition of a calling station, jackeboy, 30. Sep 2003 06:42 | ||
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| I was going to give up poker before I ran into the ultimate tactician about a year ago. I had been playing fixed-limit Holdem on-line for a month and had no real idea what I was doing (not much has changed). I had been up about $200 and lost all but $40 in about two days. I decided that it was all or nothing and I took the $40 to a $2/$4 table and there he was. He had an Eastern-European sounding name and a fair bank-roll (about $200) compared to the rest of the table. I was playing tight (or what I thought was tight ) and saw that this guy was running all over the table. He would raise pre-flop (and I mean with every hand) and bet every round. Nobody was catching anything against him so he either picked up the blinds or the blinds and a couple of call-and-hopes. But - every time someone bet back at him he would fold. I watched this happen half a dozen times before I thought I would have a go. Sure enough a raise on the river, with a low pair, folded him. I left it for a few hands and tried again - same result. Left it a while and did it again, and again, and again... It got kind of addictive. I couldn't believe that no-one else got in on the action but they didn't - just sat and folded. I wondered for a while if it was some kind of computer program (I started to leave out the gaps and play two hands in a row). My favourite part of the whole thing was when he finally ran out of money and left the table without a word - I was just about to type something to tempt him back, when he reappeared with another $200 and we started all over again. God, I miss him. 'evolution, not revolution - i want to evolve, not revolve' Jack | ||
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