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 Small blind problem, Poker God, 25. Sep 2003 15:56 | ||
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| recently playing in a $4-$8 HE game and i had 5 people limp infront of me when i was in the SB. i had 63o. at getting current 13-1 odds it seems to be playable, however i rarely,if ever, would play the hand. am i giving away too much by not playing this hand or, or others like it for that matter? where do you draw line on the play of SB hands when you have limpers behind you and what odds are neccisary for it to show profit? | ||
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| Re: Small blind problem, ReMMy, 25. Sep 2003 16:47 | ||
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| Unless I feel I am a better post flop player than basically all of them, I don't bother playing hands like this anymore. Even when you hit 2 pair, its gonna be the weakest 2 pair possible. If you manage trips you might have trouble getting action(how good a post flop player are you), and may end up going against a straight, flush, boat, or again, higher trips. | ||
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| Re: Small blind problem, Poker God, 25. Sep 2003 17:00 | ||
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| i would like to think that i can outplay most of my oppenets postflop but how profitable is it to get involved with the hand even if i can out play them? | ||
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| Re: Small blind problem, Schuster, 25. Sep 2003 17:23 | ||
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| For the regular half blind structure, I play as low as 76o, 97o, 64s. It's worked for me so far, and my small sample in poker tracker has confirmed that it's not too bad. I don't bother with true trash like 63o because outside of a 5-4-x rainbow flop, I can't feel that great about my hand. Even if I hit trips, my kicker is terrible and occasionally that comes into play. I'd rather just avoid the situation. Lee | ||
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| Re: Small blind problem, Barry T, 27. Sep 2003 09:17 | ||
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| Hi. I do not know you, so this is not personal. Everyone thinks they can outplay everyone else. That is what makes poker such a great game. It is very very hard to "outplay" a field of players with a 63o out of position. All you can hope to do is flop a miracle and hope some folks pay you off. In my experience, this prospect is not worth half a bet. I dread it when I tell a student "The better you play relative to the steal raiser, the more hands you can defend with". They immediately proceed to play every hand. BarryT Mark gregorich's post offers some ecellent guidelines, IMO. | ||
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| Re: Small blind problem, Mark Gregorich, 25. Sep 2003 23:08 | ||
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| With the 2 chip - 3 chip blind structure, I pretty much always call in the small blind (the main exception is heads-up against a tough, aggressive player). With the 1-2 structure, I will throw quite a few hands away, even when I'm getting a good price. Hands like 85 offsuit will go in the muck, as well as hands like K6 offsuit. I will, however, play any 2 suited cards, any pair, and any ace for half price. If my opponents in the hand play very poorly after the flop (or even if just one of them does), I will lower my standards. If all my opponents play well, I will tighten up considerably (what's the point in taking an inferior hand against good players when I'm out of position? I won't be able to make much on the hand after the flop, should I outflop them). Mark | ||
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| Re: Small blind problem, ADAM THE EXPERT, 26. Sep 2003 03:11 | ||
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| This is most certainly an area, where most people need major improvement. NO you didn't give anything away by NOT calling. Rather, you made about $1.85 by thowing that POOP away, as this is the approximate E.L. on the two dollar call. Here is where Adam the Expert draws the line: First of all, you need to consider the raising tendencies of the player in the big blind. If they are Mr. OR Ms. I'll die, before I'll raise before the flop, then you can play more hands in the small blind. But, limit it to those hands, which are no more than a one gapper. If your top card is less than an eight, then I would suggest NO gaps. so: 45 56 67 are ok. 97 10 j9 are also. But, you need to learn that poop is poop, no matter what the pot odds are, especially rag ace and king hands, as these are the most likely to be outkicked, when they flop a pair. If you are the big blind, and all nine players have called a U.T.G. all in raiser, for one dollar more (five in four eight) and you have some hopeless JUNK like 8 3, you FOLD, and save yourself money. EVEN though the pot odds are 49 to one. You are just asking for trouble, staying in with rags. Here are some odds, to help guide you in your quest to throw garbage away, where it belongs. 83: odds of flopping either set of trips: 35 to one odds of flopping two pair 50 to one. When you factor in the major bucks you will lose, when either of the above hands are cracked, you can begin to see why even fifty to one pot odds, are not enough. in lowball, or draw, when you are drawing to a perfect hand, this would not be the case. But then, those games do not exist anymore, so just keep on . . . . . . . Depositing the trash into the muck, where it belongs. Stick to -90 percent group one through four hands, with an occasional group five hand, and you should do ok, provided that the rest of your game is on track | ||
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