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 pair in the blinds, raised pot, noiseboy, 25. Sep 2003 10:13 | ||
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| OK, so there was one play I wasn't too sure about last night that I thought I'd bring up. I'm dealt pocket 44s in the BB. Banter raises from MP and everyone else folds around to me. I think for awhile and am leaning towards folding, because I know it's possible that I'm a huge dog to another pair. Anyway, as I'm about to fold banter types "I have something" in the chat. Now I'm pretty sure he has a big A or something like KQs, and that I'm a slight favorite. My reasoning is that if he had a pair, he wouldn't mind playing the pot with me, especially with position. So in my mind he has to have something decent, but something he wouldn't be to disappointed just taking it right there. I decide it's a coinflip with me slightly favored, and the pot is offering me more than 1:1 since I already have $300 in there. So I push in and lose the flip. Is this a bad play? Afterwards, I'm thinking maybe I should've waited for a better opportunity, as banter had enough chips to cripple my stack, even though the read was right, I was the favorite and I did have pot odds, maybe it's better to just wait for a more clearcut advantage. I think I was influenced by the fact that I hadn't been getting any cards for awhile and the 44's looked a lot better by comparison to what I had been getting. Also, I had busted someone else out of the tournament in virtually the same situation with the 44's earlier. The only difference was that the raise came from late position from a small stack, so it wasn't as big of a risk. Comments? Thanks in advance. | ||
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| Re: pair in the blinds, raised pot, shorn, 25. Sep 2003 10:46 | ||
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| Hmmm. This is one where I think that I delineate between very small and medium pairs (2-5's small; 6-9's medium). I would have probably folded due to his stack being bigger than yours, and the fact that he could make the same play and say the same thing with the medium pairs (wanting to fold you off of something like AJ or KT). You made the right read that he didn't have a pair, but if he does that with pocket 5's, you are in much greater trouble and that is a reasonable holding to raise with in a tournament from MP. I fold. | ||
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| Re: pair in the blinds, raised pot, noiseboy, 25. Sep 2003 10:54 | ||
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| Actually, I had more chips than him by about T550, so I raised all in. I wasn't too worried about holdings like 55's because I figured he might fold those if I came over. But then again, maybe if they read my crazy posts, maybe he'd call. ;) | ||
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| Re: pair in the blinds, raised pot, shorn, 25. Sep 2003 10:57 | ||
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| Oh, OK. Sorry I missed that you were ahead (got stuck on the phrase "cripple my stack"). Anyway, I still think that I would have folded based on the same reasoning. That pair just isn't strong enough to risk all your chips on in what will be at best a coinflip (unless of course you will be blinded out soon). | ||
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| Re: pair in the blinds, raised pot, noiseboy, 25. Sep 2003 12:20 | ||
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| Yep, you are right. I was 99% sure I of my read, but it's still a coinflip. Mostly I think I was tired of getting beat up in the BB. | ||
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| Re: pair in the blinds, raised pot, Blade, 25. Sep 2003 10:51 | ||
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| I think in that situation I would let it go. It doesnt sound like you can reraise in the situation so you are either calling or folding. If you call I think this instance where position works against you. Assuming you don't hit the set you are really stuck after the flop. He is going to bet again regardless of the flop representing what ever comes. You are then forced to pretty much risk you whole stack on him bluffing and he still may out draw you. I think you fold it and wait until you have a more powerful hand to take him on. My assessment would change if the table was shorthanded, say 2-3 players. But with a full or nearly full table the chances of him being on a complete bluff are reduced significantly. Im not doing anything mother (all this typing has awakened mother) No i am not looking at porn mother. Yes mother. I am coming mother | ||
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| Re: pair in the blinds, raised pot, noiseboy, 25. Sep 2003 10:57 | ||
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| LOL that's funny. Actually, I was so certain of my read, that I reraised him all-in and he called with A-big kicker. I figured my reraise would drive him off of anything but a big pair which I was sure he didn't have, unfortunately I was wrong on this count. | ||
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| Re: pair in the blinds, raised pot, Wren, 25. Sep 2003 14:11 | ||
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| > My assessment would change if the table was shorthanded, say 2-3 players. Funny - I busted on this type of situation. 4 players left, blinds 300-600. I'm sitting in BB with 77. UTG (Jav) raises minimum, folds to me, I think for a sec and push in my 4200. He thinks for a good 30 seconds or so and then calls....with 88. UGH! | ||
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| Re: pair in the blinds, raised pot, Jav, 25. Sep 2003 15:05 | ||
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| Ya, that was a tough call. I came very close to mucking that several times. I think the only thing that caused me to call is that you had pushed all-in the last 4 or 5 times you bet. (I think you had even mentioned "all in or nothing" a couple minutes earlier). Correctly or not, I believed this made the range of your hands much wider, and I thought A,K or a low pocket pair was very likely. The funny thing is both of us made our set, and there was an open ended straight draw on the board for us to split the hand. I got lucky and didn't lose any of the three hands I played where I was vulnerable. | ||
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| Re: pair in the blinds, raised pot, Bungus, 25. Sep 2003 17:28 | ||
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| Heheheh.... Like the same hand came up in the World Series this year. Moneymaker had pocket 4's (in the blinds, if I recall) and some dude in MP raised with AK. After musing it over for a few minutes, Moneymaker folded. Maybe thats why he's the new champ. | ||
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| Re: pair in the blinds, raised pot, 4 POKER, 25. Sep 2003 17:37 | ||
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| Bungus, I don't think that 'that' is why MM won the tournament. Yes, he made some really good plays, but he also made some horrific calls as well. But hey, 'everyone' makes mistakes.....I just feel that you must get lucky in these things and you have to get lucky at the most opportune time as well. 4P- | ||
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