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 WPT hand, Grateful Rooster, 25. Sep 2003 08:44 | ||
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| I'd like to get some reads on the big WPT hand broadcast last night that took Doyle Brunson and another pro out . Here's a rough approximation of the hand: 5 players left. Pro (middle stack) in EP w/ AJo brings in w/ standard raise (~70k?). Junk Bond dealer (JB) (big stack) calls from MP w/ JJ. Folds to DB (small stack) who goes all-in from one of the blinds w/ Q9s. Pro follows all-in. JB calls, takes a huge pot and knocks the other 2 out when board shoots blanks. JB's play is reasonable even as the last in, I think, as he is getting better than 2-1 pot odds w/ only three possible hands over him. A win sets him huge for heads up, and he can survive a beat. But what could Doyle and Pro have been thinking? Doyle was not in blind danger. Thoughts? GR | ||
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| Re: WPT hand, Eman, 25. Sep 2003 08:49 | ||
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| Im sure Doyle was trying to take down the pot preflop. He read the EP player with a not so strong hand (which was correct), and read the caller (JJ) with a not so great pkt pair. Im sure he was banking they would fold to his allin. Just my opinion | ||
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| Re: WPT hand, noiseboy, 25. Sep 2003 09:08 | ||
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| I think he misread the 2nd player as being somewhat weak since he didn't reraise and thought he could take it down with an all-in. He just thought that both players seemed a bit weak. It's risky, but it could've worked. Personally, I wouldn't be trying to take down the pot with a raise and a call, maybe just the first raise I might try to take it away if I thought he was weak. | ||
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| Re: WPT hand, Grateful Rooster, 25. Sep 2003 10:54 | ||
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| I agree. Trying to take down 2 with a bluff is very risky, especially when Doyle is still viewed (I think) as someone who'll bluff at a weakly defended pot. Maybe he thought THEY would think no one would foolishly bluff @ 2 all-in like that. So what about Pro's play? How do you call all-in with AJo and the big stack lying in wait behind you? Yes, JB just called, but he'd done that with strength before. How do you figure you have an edge in a sandwich like that? Then again, he's the chip leader if he hits. If you're playing for the $$, you fold, but for the championship, you gamble?? GR | ||
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| Re: WPT hand, RnderSteve, 25. Sep 2003 13:01 | ||
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| I think what happen here is Doyle misread Alan for being weak. Ted caught something on Doyle and correctly noted he was weak. Ted either got the same misread as Doyle on Alan or assumed Doyle had the right read on Alan and then because Doyle was weak that Ted had the best hand. Doyle didnt want a call, Ted thought he could handle Doyle and Alan too since he thought Doyle had him pinned weak. | ||
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| Re: WPT hand, shorn, 25. Sep 2003 13:03 | ||
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| How do you read Alan at all with those dark wraparound jobs he had on? Reminded me of what really old people with cataract problems wear when the go outside... | ||
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| Re: WPT hand, MozMan, 25. Sep 2003 19:27 | ||
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| Read Doyle's section on NL play in Super System. This is a VERY typical way for him to play that hand. He knew full-well that he had the worst hand when he pushed all-in, he just really thought he could push them both off and take the pot without a show-down. Unfortunately, we don't get to see ALL of the play in the tourney leading up to that point, but I would bet there were some earlier situations that made DB believe this play would work. -Moz "You can see your reflection in the luminescent dash." | ||
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| Re: WPT hand, kimmi690, 25. Sep 2003 21:15 | ||
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| I fell asleep watching...who won? | ||
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| Re: WPT hand, MozMan, 25. Sep 2003 21:18 | ||
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| The junk bond guy with the funky dark glasses won the hand. The board shot blanks. I didn't watch to the end, but I think he may have won the tourney too. -Moz "You can see your reflection in the luminescent dash." | ||
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| Re: WPT hand, Grateful Rooster, 26. Sep 2003 07:29 | ||
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| Yes, Junk Bond won the enchilada. His first tourney win of any sort! Those glasses are just plain ugly, I don't care how effective they are at blocking eye tells. C'mon you're on TV, dude! Interesting heads up to the end with a young Russian hot shot who looked like Matt Damon. JB had a significant chip lead going in and the Russian outplayed him with showdowns to take the lead. Then JB caught a real hands and called the Russian down to get it back and take him down. GR | ||
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| Re: WPT hand, iceman5, 26. Sep 2003 14:30 | ||
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| I have to disagree with you that the Russian outplayed Mr Glasses when they were heads up. The Russian went all in 3 hands in a row at the river...each time with nothing. And I mean nothing. In the 3 hands he never had a pair and I dont believe he had a card higher than an 8 in two of them. The first 2 times Mr glasses folded a small pair to the all in raise at the river, but the 3rd time Mr Glasses had slow played a full house, called and took a huge chip lead. Did the Russian think he could continue to raise all in every hand with nothing? Eventually Mr Glasses would have a hand...which he did. The Russian is suppossedly the European heads up champion. I thought he played great until they got heads up...and then he just tried to bluff every pot. I dont see that as great play at all. But Im no expert. | ||
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| Re: WPT hand, Grateful Rooster, 26. Sep 2003 15:08 | ||
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| I guess I saw that the Russian made a couple good reads on glasses, but then a colossal misread on the boat hand. If he was just firing at glasses as a fixed strategy, then it ultimately was bad play. Either way it was risky I guess. GR | ||
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