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 Cracked Aces, Numie, 24. Sep 2003 14:16 | ||
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| I'm in a NLHE freeroll on pokerstars with about 6000 in chips (average was about 5000) when I get dealt pocket aces. The blinds are at 100/200 and about 5-6 people call the 200. I raise it to 500 and everyone folds but one (he has 9000 in chips.) The flop comes 2-Q-3 rainbow. Opponent checks, I bet 1000, and he calls. At this point I put the caller on a queen, but I had just been moved to this table so I wasn't exactly sure. The turn brings a 4. Opponent checks, I bet 3000 and he calls. River is a 5 giving me a wheel. Opponent checks I bet 1500 all-in and he calls. I have the wheel, and he has Q-6 for a higher straight. Is there any way I could have played this better, or was this a bad beat? | ||
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| Re: Cracked Aces, Risky Business, 24. Sep 2003 14:22 | ||
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| I would go ahead and bet big before that 3rd straight-card hits the board in no limit. Small wins good, big losses bad. You had just been moved there, so they couldn't have known what you had either, so expect more calls on small bets, imho. on 24. Sep 2003 14:16 Numie wrote: > I'm in a NLHE freeroll on pokerstars with about 6000 in chips (average was about > 5000) when I get dealt pocket aces. The blinds are at 100/200 and about 5-6 > people call the 200. I raise it to 500 and everyone folds but one (he has 9000 > in chips.) The flop comes 2-Q-3 rainbow. Opponent checks, I bet 1000, and he > calls. At this point I put the caller on a queen, but I had just been moved to > this table so I wasn't exactly sure. The turn brings a 4. Opponent checks, I > bet 3000 and he calls. River is a 5 giving me a wheel. Opponent checks I bet > 1500 all-in and he calls. I have the wheel, and he has Q-6 for a higher > straight. Is there any way I could have played this better, or was this a bad > beat? | ||
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| Re: Cracked Aces, Jav, 24. Sep 2003 14:30 | ||
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| One thing you can do to better protect your aces is to raise more pre-flop. If the blind is 200, and 5 or 6 people have called, that's at least 1300 in the pot pre-flop. When you make it 500, that's still a pretty low bet and most people would be correct to call and see the flop. I would raise at least the amount of the pot with that many people in already. On the flop, again you need to make a pot-sized bet. You don't want them trying to draw out on you at this point, there's a lot of money in the pot and it's good to win it right there. Good luck the next time you get them! | ||
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| Re: Cracked Aces, nickdel, 24. Sep 2003 17:32 | ||
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| Did you plan on going all-in? What I mean is, on or before the flop did you maybe suspect that you might have to put all your chips in the pot? If so, I think you definitely could've put more money in before and on the flop. In fact, I think that you could've put all you chips in before the flop. Even if the guy was in the blind, how could he possibly call an all-in bet with Q-6? If he does call that bet, then there is no question that he was going to call you all the way down no matter what you were tossing into the pot. Consider the flop. He's got top pair and a runner-runner straight draw. He's less likely to fold now than before the flop because he has something to look at. You make your major move on the turn when your opponent has an inside straight draw and top pair. I know there's no way you could put him on the six, but I'm thinking he figures you for a steal, maybe hoping you have A-K. Maybe he thinks you have pocket Jacks or some such hand, maybe even a medium pair like 8-8 because of the low raise. Either way, I think the only way you escape the eventual outcome is to push all in before the flop. Of course, this is hindsight. He might have called you just because he had 9000 and would have 3000 more to play with had he lost the 6000, but would've knocked you out had he hit. I don't know. Personally, I rarely trap, especially into a field of five or more players. Going all-in says, I have Aces/Kings/etc.... Who's gonna chase me? The guy would have to be either crazy, really lucky, or clairvoyant to call with a Q-6. Wow, that was an awful lot of rambling for basically agreeing with what everyone else just said. | ||
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| Re: Cracked Aces, MozMan, 24. Sep 2003 18:02 | ||
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| Well, that's pretty though. The first thing I would say is that your pre-flop bet probably could have been bigger. A minimum of 3 to 4 times the big blind, (putting you at 600 - 800) up to about a pot-sized bet, which is about 1500 or so. If he calls that, then you push all-in on the flop and force a real decision on him. Any sensible player will not call bets that big on draws. -Moz "You can see your reflection in the luminescent dash." | ||
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| Re: Cracked Aces, shorn, 25. Sep 2003 04:46 | ||
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| I would have raised the pot size after 5 or 6 callers of 200. There was already 1300 or so in the pot, so if I had called 200, I would have easily called an additional 300 getting over 4-1 odds. So, I think making it 1500 to go would have won the pot for you without seeing a flop. After the flop, I would have likely gone all-in. That is a pretty ragged flop and I would be willing to take the chance that my lone opponent hasn't flopped a set. This bet would tell him that I had AQ beat and he should fold. Even if he doesn't, you are a huge favorite to win this hand (4-1), so any call by him makes you money. Bottom line, i think you played your hand too timidly pre-flop which probably cost you all of your chips. | ||
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| Re: Cracked Aces, ADAM THE EXPERT, 25. Sep 2003 11:23 | ||
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| WHILE LIVE NO LIMIT HOLD EM HAS NOT BEEN THE GAME THAT ADAM THE EXPERT HAS SPECIALIZED IN, HE HAS PLAYED A REASONABLE AMOUNT, AND HAS ALSO KEPT TRACK OF HIS POCKET ACES. I have recorded 27 pairs of pocket aces, in live B & M no limit games. none of them, has ever been beaten. NONE, ZERO, ZIPPO, GOOSE eggs. I should also mention, that only twice, did Adam the Expert ever win any money with his aces. Hopefully, this will serve as a classic example of getting what you pay for. If you don't want to win any money on aces, and just don't ever want to lose of them, do what I do, All in, every time, no matter how little is in the pot. You won't lose, but you won't win either. Adam the expert LOVES to do this, there are plenty of other hands, that he makes his money on, in no limit. Aces are reserved, for my "JUSTICE" need. Note: Adam the Expert, does NOT recommend playing aces this way, that's just how ADAM does it. But, in a tournament, where you cannot make a comback if you bust out, you should have made it just a tad more. This will keep out the total B.S. Hands, and allow you to make SOME money, from a callable hand. Don't let someone with say, an AQ suited, off for a few chips, when they would be willing to call more. In that spot, I would have suggested 1000-1200. if someone had a pocket pair, or something like AK, or AQs, they would call. But, when they miss the flop, they are out, and you have just lost value, and allowed some BOZO, to beat you. | ||
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| Re: Cracked Aces, shorn, 25. Sep 2003 11:25 | ||
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| Bo knows poker...."Where's that World Series of Poker at?" | ||
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