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 did I f*** up?, EC, 24. Sep 2003 01:04 | ||
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| OK, here we go again. I was playing tonight in a NL tourney at Hollywood Park, was at table #5 (paying 3 tables), but we were a full table. Blinds were 800/1600 with 300 antes. I have about T20,000, which is the second biggest stack at the table. I'm on the button. EP player in front of me goes all in with about T2500. I have ATo so of course I'm going to call, I raise to T5000 to try to get the blinds out. SB folds, BB ponders for a while and calls. I have him outchipped by about T4000. Flop comes down A86, rainbow. He checks, I bet T5000. He goes all in. I call. Too tough to tell what he would/would not go all in with at this stage, we're at the wild and desperate stage of the tournament. As for reads on me, I had previously bet T8000 on consecutive AQo hands, then made a big production out of how I'm an easy read since I bet the same with both hands, etc., ha ha everyone laughs. So that may have bit me in the ass since my bet here followed that path, but I felt it was the best way to make the blinds face a tough decision while giving me the chance to get out if they call and the flop misses. Anyway, thoughts on my play? Eli | ||
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| Re: did I f*** up?, BAMAFROG, 24. Sep 2003 05:30 | ||
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| I guess you could say, this is "MR conservative" talking. IMHO , that late in the tourney, I'm looking to get to the money with a fair sized stack , survival is my utmost concern.I'm letting the smaller stacks knock each other out, unless I'm dealt A monster, AA ,KK . I think the proper move preflop with A 10 o was to muck as fast as possible, and let the SB or BB try to knock out the all in. But being that you got into the hand and BB called your raise, and checked the flop, I believe the correct action (you both had ~ same chip count), was to check it down. You BOTH limit your possible losses and have a good chance of knocking out ALL IN and thus 1 step closer to money. I would appreciate any comments from the pros on my response. I may be playing to tight. | ||
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| Re: did I f*** up?, shorn, 24. Sep 2003 05:55 | ||
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| My suggestion would be fold your ATo and wait. You gain if one of the blinds busts out thge player to your right and you also gain if the BB loses, becuase then your stack is closer to being the biggest. You were in no danger of being busted out, so i don't think this was an "automatic" call. ATo is a complete trash hand unless you are forced to put $$ in or you are OTB and no one else has entered and you are stealing. Otherwise, it isn't worth putting all your precious tournament chips at risk. | ||
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| Re: did I f*** up?, Pedro, 24. Sep 2003 07:01 | ||
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| I have to agree ATo sucks. A lot of amateurs think an ace with anything is good. You need to start realizing that just cause you have an ace doesn't mean you should be in the hand. Especially nonsuited. When you are in good position you should be playing hands like AKs AQs AA KK QQ AJs JJ AK AQ KQs. That's about it. You can also use your money to push people around when you have these type of hands. But you should only be playing top 10 hands. You can make moves ofcourse in late position and you smell weakness. After all you need to use your stack as an advantage. But, you shouldn't be in hands that will lose you a lot of money with cards as inferior as ATo. Especially if someone raised before you. Your setting yourself up for a big loss. | ||
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| Re: did I f*** up?, Pedro, 24. Sep 2003 07:06 | ||
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| I would also see all pairs if flop doesn't cost that much and there are a few callers. Cause if your hand hits your making lost of money. | ||
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| Re: did I f*** up?, chasepoker, 24. Sep 2003 07:33 | ||
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| I think the antes do make a difference here the pot is at 800+1600+3000+2500 = 7900 and you only have to call T2500 getting 3:1. with this being the case i might well have done what i only ever do in situations like this and CALL !!!! The reason for this is the other two options are not that palatable to me the first is folding, i dont like folding here as yes AT isnt great but against an all in raiser i believe it is good enough ( with the odds ) to call. The other option is to raise however because of the size of the pot i dont think that a 5000 raise ( making it only 3400 in a pot that is now nearly T12000 ) works. To isolate the guy who is all in probably requires a bet of about T10000 and then you are starting to get pot committed with a hand that doesnt warrant it. Calling here is not so bad also as raising here will only get called by a guy that is ahead of you anyway so you may as well call and hope it gets checked down from start to finish with the other guy. I know this goes against all the concepts of tournament poker but i think that in this situation calling is ok and if you get reraised before the flop you get away cheap and if you flop and ace you can bet say T3000 and again fold if reraised / put all in. on 24. Sep 2003 01:04 EC wrote: > OK, here we go again. > > I was playing tonight in a NL tourney at Hollywood Park, was at table #5 > (paying 3 tables), but we were a full table. Blinds were 800/1600 with 300 > antes. I have about T20,000, which is the second biggest stack at the table. > I'm on the button. > > EP player in front of me goes all in with about T2500. I have ATo so of course > I'm going to call, I raise to T5000 to try to get the blinds out. SB folds, BB > ponders for a while and calls. I have him outchipped by about T4000. > > Flop comes down A86, rainbow. He checks, I bet T5000. He goes all in. I > call. > > Too tough to tell what he would/would not go all in with at this stage, we're > at the wild and desperate stage of the tournament. As for reads on me, I had > previously bet T8000 on consecutive AQo hands, then made a big production out of > how I'm an easy read since I bet the same with both hands, etc., ha ha everyone > laughs. So that may have bit me in the ass since my bet here followed that > path, but I felt it was the best way to make the blinds face a tough decision > while giving me the chance to get out if they call and the flop misses. > > Anyway, thoughts on my play? > > > Eli Chasepoker | ||
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| Re: did I f*** up?, EC, 24. Sep 2003 11:10 | ||
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| Follow up: BB showed me A6o, he had made two pair on the flop and won the hand. I was talking to him afterward and he said he would have laid it down to a bigger pre-flop raise. I'm wrestling with whether my earlier play helped me (theoretically of course, since it didn't), hurt me, or didn't matter. Like I mentioned on two prior hands, I raised to T8000 with AQo, the table saw my hand both times. When I raised the all in player here with T5000 and the BB pondered forever deciding whether to call, I was assuming that he was thinking I wanted him to play, and I put him either on a weak ace or a medium pair. I also thought he would think since my raise was relatively small I would have raised more with a crappy hand. I may be putting too much assumption into this though. When he checked the flop, I felt safer. Big mistake. A note to the more conservative posters- with all due respect, I believe AT in this situation is more than playable. If you're that close to the end and waiting around for premium hands, you'll be eaten alive in no time. Even though I had a decent stack, I was far from assured of walking into the money, most of the stacks at my table were healthy. Eli on 24. Sep 2003 01:04 EC wrote: > OK, here we go again. > > I was playing tonight in a NL tourney at Hollywood Park, was at table #5 > (paying 3 tables), but we were a full table. Blinds were 800/1600 with 300 > antes. I have about T20,000, which is the second biggest stack at the table. > I'm on the button. > > EP player in front of me goes all in with about T2500. I have ATo so of course > I'm going to call, I raise to T5000 to try to get the blinds out. SB folds, BB > ponders for a while and calls. I have him outchipped by about T4000. > > Flop comes down A86, rainbow. He checks, I bet T5000. He goes all in. I > call. > > Too tough to tell what he would/would not go all in with at this stage, we're > at the wild and desperate stage of the tournament. As for reads on me, I had > previously bet T8000 on consecutive AQo hands, then made a big production out of > how I'm an easy read since I bet the same with both hands, etc., ha ha everyone > laughs. So that may have bit me in the ass since my bet here followed that > path, but I felt it was the best way to make the blinds face a tough decision > while giving me the chance to get out if they call and the flop misses. > > Anyway, thoughts on my play? > > > Eli | ||
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