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 Bad Beat, GambleAB, 23. Sep 2003 18:27 | ||
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| Late level 1 of a tournament (thank god it was a freeroll), I'm playing tight and get AKo in MP, raise to T80 (started with T1000), get reraised by the loosest, play-anything player in LP, one limper limps in, so I put allin, get called by loosy who turns over Q8o, flop comes AT8, turn 2, river...Q. If I had attempted to slow roll him, he still would have caught the 2 pair on the flop, and if I had just checked and called (he had been in almost every hand, and bet on everything), I would have still been in the tourney, but with a sverely short stack. Would anyone have played this differently? Maybe if I had called him raise preflop he would have folded to the ace on the flop, but in a very short period of time everyone had gotten a very good read on him, that he played nearly every hand, so I severely doubt that he would have folded after flopping a pair. | ||
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| Re: Bad Beat, Schuster, 23. Sep 2003 18:49 | ||
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| How much did he raise you? Maybe 200? Why would you risk all your chips here against what you know is a loose player? Assuming you know this player will call with any two cards, you're maybe a 3-2 favorite. Is this good enough for you to risk all your chips? It's not good enough for me. I'd rather call and see the flop. On top of that, it is possible that he wakes up with a hand. Just because he is loose doesn't mean he doesn't hold aces. It is a bad beat, but in my opinion, you played the hand poorly, and maximized your chances of getting said bad beat laid on you. Lee | ||
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| Re: Bad Beat, GambleAB, 23. Sep 2003 19:02 | ||
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| I believe he had reraised me what I had bet, so 80. I suppose part of my thinking was that it was a freeroll where the blinds double very quickly so its important to double up ASAP to buy some time. My point was that even if I did call and see the flop, I would have flopped aces (to his 8s), and would have bet 100-200 to which (assuming his previous play is indication of his mindset) he would have called or possibly re-raised. So assuming I call, see the flop, bet 160, he calls, see the turn, bet 160, he calls, see the river, bet 160, he raises because he now was two pair. I can call and lose and be down to T200, fold my top pair and be down T360, or reraise and be out of the tournament again. on 23. Sep 2003 18:49 Schuster wrote: > How much did he raise you? Maybe 200? Why would you risk all your chips here > against what you know is a loose player? Assuming you know this player will call > with any two cards, you're maybe a 3-2 favorite. Is this good enough for you to risk > all your chips? It's not good enough for me. I'd rather call and see the flop. On > top of that, it is possible that he wakes up with a hand. Just because he is loose > doesn't mean he doesn't hold aces. It is a bad beat, but in my opinion, you played > the hand poorly, and maximized your chances of getting said bad beat laid on you. > > Lee | ||
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| Re: Bad Beat, Brian462, 23. Sep 2003 19:24 | ||
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| While this time the effect of going all in might not have turned out much different from just calling or reraising a smaller amount, there will be many other times where this will make a huge difference. Being confident that you can outplay this person post-flop(by alot apparently), I believe that you should just call and give him a chance to make those bad decisions. In the cases where said maniac ends up with a hand you can get away fairly cheaply and reduce your losses dramatically. That's just my take on the hand Brian | ||
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| Re: Bad Beat, Schuster, 23. Sep 2003 19:37 | ||
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| What would have happened is irrelevant. You should play based on the information before you, not what would have happened. Calling with 7-2o would not have been a good idea just because the flop was 7-7-2. He may have folded bottom pair to your flop bet. Even if he wouldn't, pushing all in isn't the right play against him. Lee | ||
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