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 -0.3 bbs per hour? good or bad?, john61, 23. Sep 2003 16:14 | ||
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| I have been playing online limit holdem at the .25, .50, and 1.00 ring table for 2 months now. This past month I have averaged -0.3 bbs per hour. Thats losing one third big bet per hour. How close am I to getting to that magical +1 bb/hr? Should I keep playing to gain more experience, or is that so bad that I should go play bridge with the old folks? Thanks, J | ||
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| Re: -0.3 bbs per hour? good or bad?, Blade, 23. Sep 2003 16:28 | ||
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| My experience was that after alot and I mean alot of studying & playing my game took off after the 3rd month. Sure there were times when I was profitable before but it was not until recently that I have been able to recognize mistakes, learn and correct them. Additionally I am able to see the times when although I have a losing session I am still playing good poker. I would say give it some more time but I think the key is how much are you willing to put into it. I started playing with a group of guys. They neglected to read the books or really analyze what they are doing. I am now making consistent (albeit modest money) they are still relying on luck. | ||
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| Re: -0.3 bbs per hour? good or bad?, Mark Barnett II, 24. Sep 2003 08:48 | ||
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| ask self this, if during the course of a session *say at least an hour* you see someone else do something and you say to yourself HUH? and then go back and try and figure out any rational for their actions, you are on the right track. if at the same time you are asking yourself during hands in which you are involved, am i playing this the best i know how, if you get a hand cracked *beaten by an obviously inferior starting hand* you ask yourself, was there anyway i could have played the hand differently again your on the right track. people tell you to buy books and study, thats all well and good *and yes this IS something you need to do* but the real question is are you thinking at the table, do you care with money on the line how to maximize your potential, are you paying attention to whats going on at the table are you seeing who is weak and who is less so? in the old days before there were many books on poker, people used to say you had to pay tuition at the tables to learn, this has always been true and always will be, reading books, studying and just plain thinking about poker will reduce the tuition but it still has to be paid. one other point i would like to mention in your favor, your here, your posting asking questions, you know what BB stands for, you know there is a rough estimate of 1 BB an hour potential earnings to be made, you also have taken some time to figure out that your losing roughly 1/3 BB an hour, all these things tell me you have desire and a willingness to learn. stick with it, buy a few books read them understand them *KNOW THEM* and if your bankroll can afford it keep plugging away for another 6 months or more and then see how your doing. *your time frame is really to short to get a great read on your skill/expectation but thinking you should do better will make you think about your hands and opponents hands more which is always a good thing* | ||
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| Re: -0.3 bbs per hour? good or bad?, Schuster, 24. Sep 2003 12:36 | ||
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| Excellent post, very well put. Lee | ||
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| Re: -0.3 bbs per hour? good or bad?, 4 POKER, 29. Sep 2003 06:55 | ||
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| Great post Mark. Very helpful. 4P- on 24. Sep 2003 08:48 Mark Barnett II wrote: > ask self this, if during the course of a session *say at least an hour* you see > someone else do something and you say to yourself HUH? and then go back and try and > figure out any rational for their actions, you are on the right track. > if at the same time you are asking yourself during hands in which you are involved, > am i playing this the best i know how, if you get a hand cracked *beaten by an > obviously inferior starting hand* you ask yourself, was there anyway i could have > played the hand differently again your on the right track. > people tell you to buy books and study, thats all well and good *and yes this IS > something you need to do* but the real question is are you thinking at the table, do > you care with money on the line how to maximize your potential, are you paying > attention to whats going on at the table are you seeing who is weak and who is less > so? > in the old days before there were many books on poker, people used to say you had to > pay tuition at the tables to learn, this has always been true and always will be, > reading books, studying and just plain thinking about poker will reduce the tuition > but it still has to be paid. > > one other point i would like to mention in your favor, your here, your posting > asking questions, you know what BB stands for, you know there is a rough estimate of > 1 BB an hour potential earnings to be made, you also have taken some time to figure > out that your losing roughly 1/3 BB an hour, all these things tell me you have desire > and a willingness to learn. stick with it, buy a few books read them understand them > *KNOW THEM* and if your bankroll can afford it keep plugging away for another 6 > months or more and then see how your doing. > > *your time frame is really to short to get a great read on your skill/expectation > but thinking you should do better will make you think about your hands and opponents > hands more which is always a good thing* | ||
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| Re: -0.3 bbs per hour? good or bad?, stdioh, 25. Sep 2003 10:07 | ||
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| Obviously -0.3 BB per hour is bad. You're losing money. Keep playing, but realize that you are paying for an education in poker while you are playing and keep at the lowest stakes until you can beat them. | ||
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| Re: -0.3 bbs per hour? good or bad?, timmer, 25. Sep 2003 19:19 | ||
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| Well, your almost beating the rake /game. And considering the rate at which you ante off at these online games that might not be so bad. I'd suggest tightening up generally. And try to take advantage of the opponents bad plays ( which is universally calling to much playing to many hands and going to far with them) try to align yourself against the worse possible opponents. Stick to your game, post hand histories, and study hand histories that you down load after playing . Try to find all your bad calls and those of your opponents. I know for sure your making some. Because nearly every one does. Don't fool yourself into thinking that all LL players are terrible. Obviously there are some much better than you. Try to figure out who the best ones are and watch what they are doing and avoid them. | ||
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| Re: -0.3 bbs per hour? good or bad?, Formless, 29. Sep 2003 05:49 | ||
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| I read something very interesting in CardPlayer years ago. I forget who wrote it or how it was worded, but it goes something like this: When a player tells you he is a winning player, you want this player in your game. When a player tells you he is a break-even player, you want this player in your game. But when a player tells you he is a losing player, and can tell you exactly how much money he has lost this year right down to the penny, you do not want this player in your game. The fact that you have the discipline, honesty, and self-awareness to keep records and tell yourself and others that you are a losing player is pretty impressive, doubly so considering you are new to the game, and augurs well for your future in poker. You will get better, 2 months experience isn't very much. | ||
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| Re: -0.3 bbs per hour? good or bad?, john61, 29. Sep 2003 21:12 | ||
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| Thanks for all the feedback! I have tightened up my play quite a bit and seem to be doing better. Give it a month and I will see where im at then. Im seeing only 26% of the flops now instead of the 34% that i was seeing. Thats at the 25 cent table. I always could beat the penny table. Im at +9 bbs/hr there. But the play is different at higher limits of course. Thanks again all. J | ||
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| Re: -0.3 bbs per hour? good or bad?, kennycatkiller, 12. Oct 2003 22:00 | ||
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| Remember that poker is a "Zero Sum minus" game. That is, someone has to lose in order for someone to win, and, further, there is the house "rake" or "time charge." For example, if ten equally skilled players sat down with $1,000,000 each and played for a very long period of time, long enough for the luck factor to even out, the only winner would likely be the casino, which would have extracted a "rake" on every hand or a "time charge" for every hour played. If you are losing .3 BB's per hour, you need to learn more and/or gain more experience. After all, the aim is to WIN. Of course, as long as you are playing very low limits, you can not get hurt too badly. Kennycatkiller | ||
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