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 How do you play flush draws, Eihli, 23. Sep 2003 12:20 | ||
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| If you flop 4 to a flush, where do you go with it? You're getting 1.9:1 odds to make it by the river. Does that mean you should play both the flop and the turn like you are getting 1.9:1 odds? Should you play both the flop and turn like you are getting the 4.1:1 that you'll make it on the next card? When should you raise your draws? | ||
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| Re: How do you play flush draws, shorn, 23. Sep 2003 13:18 | ||
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| It really depends on your position and the # of opponents. I assume we are talking about drawing to the nut flush, but here goes: Early Position- Generally, I will check UTG with the 4 flush. I would rather have someone else bet it for me and get several callers thereby ensuring that I have odds to draw. However, if it is a very loose passive table, you can bet it out and hope to get 4 callers making it more of a value play. Then, if the flush hits on the turn, you are in perfect position for a check raise (as you have represented top pair and your turn check makes it look like you are afraid of the flush). Middle- This really depends on what my current odds are and more importantly, how many people are still yet to act. If there are three or four people behind me, I will probably just call...with one person, I will likely raise to try and get a free river care if the turn doesn't bring the flush. I might also raise if the bet came from UTG and there are already 2 or 3 callers...this is again a value play to make the pot bigger and since you are getting close to 4-1 on your money, you make out long run whether you hit or not (this doesn't take into account a re-raise...if it looks like someone behind is loading up, i flat call). Late- Most often, I will raise if there is a bet and at least two callers. Again, this looks like you are protecting top pair, so people don't always assume that you have the flush draw. And, if the flush comes on the turn and someone bets into you, then you can just smooth call or raise depending on the opponent. If there is just a bet and 1 caller to me, then the raise in LP is more questionable and I will likely just call and potentially raise the turn with my made hand or as a semibluff if I have extra outs. I love this type of hand from LP because it gives you so many options to maximize your win. I hope this helps. Steve | ||
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| Re: How do you play flush draws, mkpoker, 23. Sep 2003 13:40 | ||
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| Well, it depends. First, it depends on your the strength of your draw. Is your draw to the nut flush (A-high)? If so, in limit HE, you'll almost always have the right odds to draw, so folding is out-of-the question. If you're going for a K-high flush or less, you need to assess your chances of making your hand, but losing anyway. Losing to a higher flush after you make your hand is very frustrating. If the board is paired, you also need to watch out for a full house. Some say you should never draw to a flush with a paired board. I wouldn't go that far, but you need to be the lookout for sure. Second, it depends on the number and type of players at your table. If your opponents are few--and they're the type who might lay down a decent hand--a semibluff bet or raise may be a good play. You might win the hand right there, and if you're called, you still might overtake your opponents with the next card (s). I find that semi-bluffs on draws don't work especially well at low limits. People just won't fold, so you're better off check/calling. But at mid- and higher limits (so I've read), more aggressive betting on a draw is often a successful play. However, in a low-limit game, I'll bet or raise on a draw to the nut flush FOR VALUE, if it's a large field and it's relatively passive. That's because I can "create" desireable pot odds for myself on every new bet if I have 5 callers (but this is rare). My bottom line: if you're drawing to the nut flush (or you think you'll lower flush will be good) at LOW LIMITS, I'd generally check/call. But, if you have a lot of passive callers, I'd consider bet/raising. If you're drawing to a lesser flush, think long and hard before paying off on the turn. Hope this helps. | ||
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