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 Las Vegas TV show, beigs, 23. Sep 2003 11:33 | ||
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| Wondering if anyone else sat through the James Caan show 'Las Vegas' last night? If so, can someone confirm my suspicion that the blackjack cheat was an idiot. It took me a while, but I think I understand how his scam worked. It just seemed like he was stupid. | ||
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| Re: Las Vegas TV show, Eman, 23. Sep 2003 11:43 | ||
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| i was watching while playing in a UB tourney. I didnt catch the part where he got caught. How was he cheating. | ||
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| Re: Las Vegas TV show, Mark Barnett II, 23. Sep 2003 11:58 | ||
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| i watched the show amd enjoyed it. not sure why you think the guy was an idiot, either the scam was explained horribly *wouldnt surprise me at all* or else they were somehow counting cards and the misinformation the guy got was enough to want to do an all in bet *which is the only crazy part i noticed* parts of the scam as i saw/heard camera somehow attached to the bettors frozen hand on the table just under a fingernail *at least there was a whitish odd bump there in one frame sequence* camera receiver outside getting direct feed microphone outside speaker getting signal from outside in the glasses of the bettor the only way i can think of that this is really a scam versus a card counting scheme is somehow with where the guys hand was postioned with the camera the images he sent were of when the dealer shuffled the cards and somehow knew the order of the deck *which sorta goes with a comment in the show about him knowing whats coming* rather interesting scam if thats what it was | ||
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| Re: Las Vegas TV show, beigs, 23. Sep 2003 12:16 | ||
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| WARNING! SPOILERS AHEAD!!!! Here's my problem and it stems from some confusion as to how the scam worked. Yes the guy had a camera on his frozen hand sending a feed to the valet who would then radio him what the cards were. My question is... is that camera only seeing the cards as they come out of the shoe or is it videotaping the suffle and cut? If it was taping the shuffle, how is that even possible for the valet to figure out which cards are coming up next? But the reason that I think he was stupid was that he, A) drew a large crowd and way to much attention to himself. B) Stayed at the table when it was obvious every floor manager and security person was watching him. Not to mention taking the house for 3.5 million dollars which would send up an equal amount of red flags. C) Used a guy on the outside (the valet) who has a job where he can be very easily distracted. D) Went all in on his last bet. Why would you do that? Whether or not you know what cards are coming there is always the chance that you can be beat. There's no way you can stop the dealer from drawing blackjack unless you purposely draw an extra card on a previous hand. So no matter how good his scam was, he'd have to lose some of the time. I hope that made sense. Once I gain, I have thought so hard I hurt my brain and confused myself. Grrrr... beigs | ||
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| Re: Las Vegas TV show, WilliamS, 23. Sep 2003 13:03 | ||
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| I liked the show especially Molly Simms reflection in the window in the opening scene. Anyone else catch that? Hehehehe Will | ||
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| Re: Las Vegas TV show, jumpthru, 23. Sep 2003 13:51 | ||
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| Yeah...even the elevator seen was a bit revealing for a TV-14 show... on 23. Sep 2003 13:03 WilliamS wrote: > I liked the show especially Molly Simms reflection in the window in the opening scene. Anyone > else catch that? > Hehehehe > Will > http://www.offsuit.com/ - A different look at poker. | ||
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| Re: Las Vegas TV show, jumpthru, 23. Sep 2003 13:12 | ||
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| I thought the show was good, but had a few questions as well. 1) Why did the casino let him play that one last all in hand...if they knew he was cheating, why didn't they just say "You are cheating." and take his money. Why did he have to lose it on an all in? (besides the fact that it is more exciting)...I mean they acted like what cards fell on the all in hand was really important...even if he won, they could just be like "You were cheating" and then take his money. 2) My understanding of the camera in the finger was that he could see the cards coming out of the shoe...if that is correct then how would he have known the next card coming?? 3) EVEN if he had PERFECT card knowlege, what if the dealer got 20, he got 15 and the next card was a 10...he is gonna lose no matter what he does, so why would he go all in? And yes he was stupid...if you are up 3.5 million and they ask you to leave and you know you are cheating, then leave... Plus they didn't explain very well the whole whale guy and why he had dissapeard so suddenly..all i figured out was he had found a new hostess for a different hotel?? I thought the homeless guy was a depressing part of the show, and they didn't make it very clear, I thought he was a cheater the whole time, and didn't realise we were supposed to feel sorry for him tell the end... Nate http://www.offsuit.com/ - A different look at poker. | ||
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| Re: Las Vegas TV show, Dr_Monkey, 1. Oct 2003 04:44 | ||
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| on 23. Sep 2003 13:12 jumpthru wrote: > I thought the homeless guy was a depressing part of the show, and they didn't make it very > clear, I thought he was a cheater the whole time, and didn't realise we were supposed to feel > sorry for him tell the end... I didn't think the homeless guy was cheating. I got the impression that he was having a huge lucky winning streak. That is why he lost it all on roulette. If he was cheating he would have gone back to BJ and continue. I think they were trying to show him as a chronic gambler. | ||
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| Re: Las Vegas TV show, Blade, 23. Sep 2003 13:14 | ||
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| Yes, the all in thing was very bad writing. First off as you point out the guy would only be able to know what cards the dealer had. While this is a tremendous advantage it does not prevent being beat on a dealer blakcjack or going bust. Effectively he was plahying with the dealers cards face up. Second Why in the hell would the casino cover this bet. Like above giving him the wrong information does not prevent either him drawing black jack or the dealer (who has forced draws) from going bust. The only other explanation is that somehow the camera was able to see the cards in the shuffler and able to know what was coming. However this would not seem to be the case because at the beginning of the show it was stated that the player was playing several hands at once. Which would indicate that he was trying to leverage a small advantage such as knowing what the dealer has. | ||
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| Re: Las Vegas TV show, beigs, 23. Sep 2003 13:25 | ||
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| Agreed on the bad writing. I didn't get the homeless guy thing either. Who was he? His father was conveniently writing to the freelance hostess who was also the whale stealer and former lover of the main character etc... Oh, yeah... Danny forgot to meet his dad at his mom's grave. Oops. | ||
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| Re: Las Vegas TV show, Risky Business, 23. Sep 2003 14:03 | ||
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| I like the way they ended the show. Perfectly set up next week. The homeless guy was meant to be a distraction to us. We were to think he was part of the blackjack scam; however, he was just lucky, and really in the episode for the Vanessa Marcil plot. We couldn't have seen that coming. Similarly, I don't expect to see that whale again, now that "Sam" is working at the casino now. (I think her name is Sam) Being at 10pm EST, expect more blatant sexual content for the adult viewers. CSI has gore, Vegas has skin (shocking, I know) The finger 'eye' was seen to show the cards as they were inserted into the clear plastic shoe after the shuffle. This was recorded by the PDA outside and therefore could be viewed back in slow motion to follow the play of each particular card. on 23. Sep 2003 13:25 beigs wrote: > > Agreed on the bad writing. I didn't get the homeless guy thing either. Who was he? His father > was conveniently writing to the freelance hostess who was also the whale stealer and former lover of > the main character etc... > > Oh, yeah... Danny forgot to meet his dad at his mom's grave. Oops. | ||
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| Re: Las Vegas TV show, gary ford, 23. Sep 2003 14:53 | ||
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| on 23. Sep 2003 14:03 Risky Business wrote: > I like the way they ended the show. Perfectly set up next week. > > The homeless guy was meant to be a distraction to us. We were to think he was part of the blackjack > scam; however, he was just lucky, and really in the episode for the Vanessa Marcil plot. We couldn't > have seen that coming. Similarly, I don't expect to see that whale again, now that "Sam" is working at > the casino now. (I think her name is Sam) > > Being at 10pm EST, expect more blatant sexual content for the adult viewers. > CSI has gore, Vegas has skin (shocking, I know) > > The finger 'eye' was seen to show the cards as they were inserted into the clear plastic shoe after the > shuffle. This was recorded by the PDA outside and therefore could be viewed back in slow motion to > follow the play of each particular card. Lol Risky-- I worked that scene and you know more than i do. I watched the pilot at the LV Film Festival on the big screen---i like the show and its getting good buzz. more fuel for the boom--Gary > > > on 23. Sep 2003 13:25 beigs wrote: > > > > Agreed on the bad writing. I didn't get the homeless guy thing either. Who was he? His father > > was conveniently writing to the freelance hostess who was also the whale stealer and former lover of > > > the main character etc... > > > > Oh, yeah... Danny forgot to meet his dad at his mom's grave. Oops. | ||
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| Re: Las Vegas TV show, beigs, 23. Sep 2003 14:53 | ||
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| Okay... I thought he was recording the deck so they would have perfect knowledge of the cards to come. But still... going all in for 3.5mil on one hand would be pretty stupid. Especially since they changed decks right before his hand. (At least, I think they did.) on 23. Sep 2003 14:03 Risky Business wrote: > I like the way they ended the show. Perfectly set up next week. > > The homeless guy was meant to be a distraction to us. We were to think he was part of the blackjack > scam; however, he was just lucky, and really in the episode for the Vanessa Marcil plot. We couldn't > have seen that coming. Similarly, I don't expect to see that whale again, now that "Sam" is working at > the casino now. (I think her name is Sam) > > Being at 10pm EST, expect more blatant sexual content for the adult viewers. > CSI has gore, Vegas has skin (shocking, I know) > > The finger 'eye' was seen to show the cards as they were inserted into the clear plastic shoe after the > shuffle. This was recorded by the PDA outside and therefore could be viewed back in slow motion to > follow the play of each particular card. > > > on 23. Sep 2003 13:25 beigs wrote: > > > > Agreed on the bad writing. I didn't get the homeless guy thing either. Who was he? His father > > was conveniently writing to the freelance hostess who was also the whale stealer and former lover of > > > the main character etc... > > > > Oh, yeah... Danny forgot to meet his dad at his mom's grave. Oops. | ||
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| Re: Las Vegas TV show, gary ford, 23. Sep 2003 14:58 | ||
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| They did change decks and Marsha dealt. They cold decked him. | ||
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| Re: Las Vegas TV show, Risky Business, 24. Sep 2003 07:59 | ||
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| They changed decks and all went as usual, except the guy outside was forced to tell him the wrong card. I agree that it was lame though. At some point in a shoe the first 4 cards off the deck will make the dealer a winner. (maybe not in the nerds math world, but in real life it's true) on 23. Sep 2003 14:53 beigs wrote: > > Okay... I thought he was recording the deck so they would have perfect knowledge of the cards to come. But > still... going all in for 3.5mil on one hand would be pretty stupid. Especially since they changed decks > right before his hand. (At least, I think they did.) > > > on 23. Sep 2003 14:03 Risky Business wrote: > > I like the way they ended the show. Perfectly set up next week. > > > > The homeless guy was meant to be a distraction to us. We were to think he was part of the blackjack > > scam; however, he was just lucky, and really in the episode for the Vanessa Marcil plot. We couldn't > > have seen that coming. Similarly, I don't expect to see that whale again, now that "Sam" is working at > > the casino now. (I think her name is Sam) > > > > Being at 10pm EST, expect more blatant sexual content for the adult viewers. > > CSI has gore, Vegas has skin (shocking, I know) > > > > The finger 'eye' was seen to show the cards as they were inserted into the clear plastic shoe after the > > shuffle. This was recorded by the PDA outside and therefore could be viewed back in slow motion to > > follow the play of each particular card. > > > > > > on 23. Sep 2003 13:25 beigs wrote: > > > > > > Agreed on the bad writing. I didn't get the homeless guy thing either. Who was he? His father > > > was conveniently writing to the freelance hostess who was also the whale stealer and former lover of > > > > > the main character etc... > > > > > > Oh, yeah... Danny forgot to meet his dad at his mom's grave. Oops. | ||
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| Re: Las Vegas TV show, Easy E, 26. Sep 2003 07:49 | ||
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| "The homeless guy was meant to be a distraction to us. We were to think he was part of the blackjack scam; however, he was just lucky," I thought that was a dramatization of that "bum wins millions playing blackjack" story from about 4-5 years ago- supposedly happened at the Mirage, I think? | ||
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| Re: Las Vegas TV show, Risky Business, 26. Sep 2003 08:53 | ||
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| I'm unaware. Maybe so. Worthless for the episode but neat if they put it in there for that reason. I hope the bum really was wearing slippers though, or that's another lame edit......."based on a true story - but completely changed for TV". on 26. Sep 2003 07:49 Easy E wrote: > "The homeless guy was meant to be a distraction to us. We were to think he was part of the blackjack scam; > however, he was just lucky," > > I thought that was a dramatization of that "bum wins millions playing blackjack" story from about 4-5 years > ago- supposedly happened at the Mirage, I think? | ||
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