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 What would you do?, Pedro, 22. Sep 2003 06:36 | ||
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| I have AK suited in first position. I'm in no limit 1-2 blinds. I raised the pot to 5 dollars. Everyone folds except the big blind he raised to 10. At this point I put him on pocket aces kings or queens. Since I had ace king I put him on queens, but I didnt rule out aces or kings. The Flop came a94 rainbow he checked I bet 10 and then he went all in. Which was a 120 bet. I sat and figured out the odds of him having ace ace, I don't think he had them cause if i had ace ace I would let him keep betting the hand. I ended up folding. He showed his hands, I just want to know if you think I made the right move or not before I tell you what he had. Would you all have done the same? | ||
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| Re: What would you do?, shorn, 22. Sep 2003 06:54 | ||
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| I have a tough time laying down AK there. The chances that he had AA are very slim, and he could have made the same type of play with AQ or AJ. However, all you really have is 1 pair, so on the off-chance that he held 99, you are pretty much cooked. Facing a re-raise pre-flop and an all-in flop raise, I guess you do have to fold. | ||
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| Re: What would you do?, Pedro, 22. Sep 2003 07:08 | ||
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| It was really hard to lay down and I sat there for about 50 seconds requested time. Around the time I ruled out ace ace I thought about 99 and thats what I put him on. However I didnt expect him to raise with 99 to an early raiser. He did infact have the trip 9's and it was a good laydown. But it made me wonder if I should of reraised the preflop raise. Maybe he puts me on aces then? Do you think he would of folded? I don't think he would of folded regardless of what I did. Maybe if iI go all in on the flop he leaves but if he doesn't I would of lost a full 120. Unless I get runner runner. But if I reraise him he has to put himself behind and now he has to catch to beat me. He ended up losing big to me later on. In a hand where I played 35 suited and raised it and he just called trying to trap me. It was a really bad beat for him as I caught a straight flush and he had a full house aces over. So I ended up getting the money back that I lostand more with the luck of god. What do you think Shorn should I have reraised preflop? | ||
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| Re: What would you do?, shorn, 22. Sep 2003 07:40 | ||
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| I don't like to re-raise pre-flop with AK or other high cards. Effectively, you have nothing and are at best a coinflip to any hand with a pair. Judging from how he played 99, I doubt he would have layed it down to a large re-raise, so just calling saved you money. In fact, the only hand that is worth going broke on pre-flop is AA, so unless you have that, it is better to just call the flop and then put in a big bet if it hits you favorably (as this one did). Great laydown by you on this one Pedro. AND, you got the $$ back with a big hand later...all in all, sounds like a good day's work to me! | ||
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| Re: What would you do?, Eman, 22. Sep 2003 06:59 | ||
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| Thats a tough situation. One thing that I like to stick by in NL is: avoid being the one to call an all-in, except when you know you have em beat. In your situation, I would have folded his all-in bet. However with AK in first position, I would have played it differently. I dont like to show my strenth in first position. I would call from first position. After the flop I would check and raise significantly. I think you'll have a better idea of knowing what he has. If he raises you all-in after that, I would fold. My advice (I dont know if its good or bad, cause I'm fairly new): In early position I like to call preflop, and check/raise alot. I dont want to be the person calling an All-in. I like to be the one pushing in the Allin Bet. Any thoughts | ||
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| Re: What would you do?, grant pittman, 22. Sep 2003 11:27 | ||
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| Pedro although he is a favorite to not have a set of aces he is a much bigger favorite to have you beat since he DOESN'T know you don't have aces unless he does!!!! He is making a very brave play on you here with a hand that is not beating you. Since you have only $20 invested and it is $110 more to call I would be inclined to pass and wait for a better spot for my money. Just a thought. GRANT PITTMAN | ||
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| Re: What would you do?, stein, 22. Sep 2003 19:10 | ||
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| This situation, for me, depends entirely on the player. From my experience (online) many players at these limits are hyper-aggressive and will back-raise pre-flop with a small pair or even A-J. *Certainly* there are many players who will try and run over tight opponents who will fold TopPair/TopKicker to big all in re-raises. A re-raise from the Big Blind pre-flop does not (for me) automatically spell AA - QQ. I'm thinking - here's a guy who wants this pot heads-up, fancies he can bully me after the flop and probably has some sort (though not necesarily premium) hand. With my AK I'm liking the flop - even given the extended number of possible hands he might re-raising with, only a set could be in front at that time. Then he back-raises all-in...... I don't put him on Trip Aces. Why would he not slowplay top set from last position? With trip AAs This flop *must* be worth a free-ish card given (1) its texture, (2) your willingness to bet it for him (3) the high probability that you hold A-(Big) X and (4) (if he'd previously seen your tight play) your propensity to throw away reasonable hands when facing a big all-in bet. I just cant make him for trip aces (unless he suspects I'm capable of such calls with just an A-X.....) The other sets? - a similar story. In my opinion a typical player will not overbet the pot so drastically with such a hand when heads up. (especially given your likely holding of A-(Big)X). Furthermore, I disagree that if hes got trip 99s that he is concerned about seeing trip AAs. He put in the final raise and flopped middle set in a heads-up pot. He's not going to lay down the 99s; thats all there is to it. He just cant get away from that hand. Personally, I put him on A-(Big)X. I would suspect he probably thinks he has you out-kicked and is afraid of allowing you to hit your kicker. He may well have A-K also. It feels like the move of an over-aggressive player. I couldnt lay down my AK here. For the number of times I'm shown a set, there are many more I'll be shown a smaller A or even something like T9s. (Incidently there are many situations of a similar nature in which I might even call with A-Q (though it is a much harder decision)). To be honest my analysis is perhaps warped by my huge involvement in 6-7 handed games and perhaps an adjustment is needed for a full ring game - I suspect, however, that my conclusions may apply regardless. Perhps I'm too loose or even, more likely, (being super-aggressive myself) other aggresive players will use weaker hands against my raises. Nevertheless, I feel against a typical 1/2 NLHE opponent, folding your A-K is too tight here. Think I'm wrong? Let me know. I love learning things. Stein. | ||
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| Re: What would you do?, cafferacer, 27. Sep 2003 19:55 | ||
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| havn't read the responses. let me guess: he hand junk. but the fold was ok i guess. i like the fact that you can lay down a hand when u feel you are beat. longterm that is good as long as your not giving up pots by being weak. people never laydown ak when they hit A or kicker. regardless of holding its good to laydown a hand that you fell is beat when its calling such a large allin raise. | ||
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| Re: What would you do?, cafferacer, 27. Sep 2003 20:00 | ||
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| ok, 99 is not junk, lol. ive had that happen many times and no, there is no way out. allin preflop will get called by most playersi play with, so what do u do? nothing. you did everything right and that was a big laydown. nice play. this is a good example of why ive Not gone all in every single time ive got AA etc. sometimes a big bet is good, you win right there and if u get a caller or 2 you dont have to risk all your chips when someone obviously hits the flop harder (and u dont have the outs or odds to call) | ||
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