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 AHHHHHHHHHHH, kimmi690, 19. Sep 2003 20:34 | ||
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| OK, tonight I almost threw my computer out of the window, just finished ranting and raving, and smoked a pack of ciggies in about 3 seconds...I was playing a tourney tonight for the Online Poker Tournament, was up to 13,000 with 89 people left out of 260...pretty good, right? I'm on the button, get pp aces, blinds are 400/800, raise in with 2400, everyone folds except for the BB, he calls...the flop comes it is 2C9DAsp, BB checks, I bet 4000, he calls, the turn card is a J of something, he checks, I bet all in (he only has 200 chips left), he goes all in...the cards flip, I am showing AA, he is showing 10 7 offsuit, the river.....TAKE A WILD GUESS>an 8 of something and he wins....the very next hand I am dealt 8K suited, I bet 400, everyone folds except this guy...the flop 88and a J I think, I go all in because I got my butt kicked and needed to recoup some losses, he follows my bet with MY CHIPS(&#*(@&#^#) shows QQ...no Q hits but he wins with a flush on the river. I then get the INFAMOUS comment of "see, women can't play poker"...I am livid right now and that guy is LUCKY that I am not face to face with him... Did I play the cards poorly and deserve to lose, or did this "pro" get really really lucky? Tonight was a kick in the pants (or skirt, rather) for me...and I am kind of second guessing my ability... Thanks for letting me vent. Kimmi :( P.S. sorry about the on and on, I am still learning lingo and such ...so I am kinda long winded. | ||
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| Re: AHHHHHHHHHHH, WilliamS, 20. Sep 2003 06:24 | ||
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| Kimmi, I feel your pain (LOL). The first hand is a horrible beat and I think you played it fine. If the guy doesn't draw out on you, you make good money with your aces. He was probably just dropping the rest of his chips and luckily caught his miracle card. You didn't give much infor. on the second hand but I sense there may be a leak here. You just took a horrible beat and then you chase your money with K8s. This isn't a playable hand in most situations. Without the info, I can't say it wasn't playable in this situation, but right after a really bad beat you might should have taken some time to compose yourself or only play EXTREMELY good hands. I bring this up because I battle the same thing especially in NL. After the flop, you're hung with this hand and I don't see how you could get away from it. Sounds like tough luck Will | ||
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| Re: AHHHHHHHHHHH, TrippH, 20. Sep 2003 08:07 | ||
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| I second what William already said ... the first hand was just bad luck, the second hand you brought on yourself ... sounds like you were steaming from the first hand and made a play you shouldn't have by betting out with the K8 right after you'd lost a big pot ... of course, after the flop, you have to assume your set is good and bet it, but it's not an unreasonable call on his part either with an overpair ... he could very easily be putting you on something like AJ or even a bluff after taking a big loss just the hand before ... right after losing a big pot to a bad beat probably isn't the best time to be putting money into pots with marginal holdings because you're not going to be focused enough to get away from them if you need to and people will be more likely to call you down with better hands because they sense weakness, desperation, or recklessness on your part | ||
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| Re: AHHHHHHHHHHH, gary ford, 20. Sep 2003 08:58 | ||
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| on 19. Sep 2003 20:34 kimmi690 wrote: > OK, tonight I almost threw my computer out of the window, just finished ranting > and raving, and smoked a pack of ciggies in about 3 seconds...I was playing a > tourney tonight for the Online Poker Tournament, was up to 13,000 with 89 people > left out of 260...pretty good, right? I'm on the button, get pp aces, blinds > are 400/800, raise in with 2400, everyone folds except for the BB, he > calls...the flop comes it is 2C9DAsp, BB checks, I bet 4000, he calls, the turn > card is a J of something, he checks, I bet all in (he only has 200 chips left), > he goes all in...the cards flip, I am showing AA, he is showing 10 7 offsuit, > the river.....TAKE A WILD GUESS>an 8 of something and he wins....the very next > hand I am dealt 8K suited, I bet 400, everyone folds except this guy...the flop > 88and a J I think, I go all in because I got my butt kicked and needed to recoup > some losses, he follows my bet with MY CHIPS(&#*(@&#^#) shows QQ...no Q hits > but he wins with a flush on the river. I then get the INFAMOUS comment of "see, > women can't play poker"...I am livid right now and that guy is LUCKY that I am > not face to face with him... > > Did I play the cards poorly and deserve to lose, or did this "pro" get really > really lucky? Tonight was a kick in the pants (or skirt, rather) for me...and I > am kind of second guessing my ability... > > Thanks for letting me vent. > > Kimmi :( > P.S. sorry about the on and on, I am still learning lingo and such ...so I am > kinda long winded. In his book Super System, Doyle Brunson says he always plays the next hand after he wins a pot, regardless. Thats an idiosyncracy, not a strategy. Reversing that strategy would mean to never play a hand after a bad beat. That too, would be an idiosyncracy. The reasons are psychological. Bad beats are part of poker. Thats why we get 7 cards and not 5. Your play of K8s was not a good play under any circumstances, and especially after a bad beat. The women can't play statement threw more wood on the fire. If that happens in a live game,have your 6' 5 ' hubby take care of the offender. BTW, you said you would be playing freerolls last night, so dont get too upset, freerollers sometimes play anything. Why not? Just dont do it yourself, you're in training. Better luck--Gary | ||
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| Re: AHHHHHHHHHHH, kimmi690, 20. Sep 2003 11:50 | ||
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| Hey guys, I am so much calmer now, I realize going all in w trip 8 was not a very good idea and it was emotional based and not logical in any sense of the word. How do you all keep from making a really bad bet after a really bad beat? I was a little too emotional about the first play, because there is no logic in going all in w 7 10 offsuit, and then winning. I found myself making mistakes in the other tourneys last night after that bad beat. I couldn't concentrate. Had a good night sleep, and I am hoping to do some serious damage tonight! But i still need to curb the emotional outburst of bad betting after being slaughtered. What would be my best strategy? Thanks~ Kimmi :) | ||
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| Re: AHHHHHHHHHHH, Nathaniel Brous, 20. Sep 2003 12:53 | ||
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| Hey Kimmi, Actually going all in with the trip 8's was not a bad play. However your motivation (recoup my losses comment) was a bit off. You had the best of it (on the flop...not preflop of course) and got outdrawn. That's poker. As to your best strategy (tilt question...yes?)... 1. In the short term you may want to shut the chat off. It sounds as though you have enough trouble dealing with your emotions (at this point in your poker career/hobby/whatever). The nice thing about that is...it doesn't have to be a permanent condition. And if that is the case...then you will be a markedly improved player as you gain control. Remember that poker (broken down) is simply a series of decisions. People can and will make bad decisions to beat you (in the long run this benefits you, because they are reinforcing bad habits). Once you have yourself under control, then open yourself to outside influences (because "real live" tournaments are certainly not quiet to say the least). 2. Go to the bookstore and pick up " Zen and Art of Poker," by L.W.Phillips (around $12). Read it. I really think it will help. 3. As William S. mentioned, after a bad beat...go back to basics. At the minimum, it will generally keep you out of trouble. - Nathaniel Brous | ||
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| Re: AHHHHHHHHHHH, cafferacer, 26. Sep 2003 23:48 | ||
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| hey nat, umm actually it looks like it was a bad idea if the 3 cards on the flop were suited (either that or he hit the flush runner runner) but really, this hand she played fine, he played QQ horrible. (smooth calling with qq?oooookkk) | ||
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| Re: AHHHHHHHHHHH, gary ford, 21. Sep 2003 00:38 | ||
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| on 20. Sep 2003 11:50 kimmi690 wrote: > Hey guys, > > I am so much calmer now, I realize going all in w trip 8 was not a very good idea and it > was emotional based and not logical in any sense of the word. How do you all keep from > making a really bad bet after a really bad beat? I was a little too emotional about the > first play, because there is no logic in going all in w 7 10 offsuit, and then winning. I > found myself making mistakes in the other tourneys last night after that bad beat. I > couldn't concentrate. Had a good night sleep, and I am hoping to do some serious damage > tonight! But i still need to curb the emotional outburst of bad betting after being > slaughtered. What would be my best strategy? > > Thanks~ > > Kimmi : =Discipline is the main mental ingredient in poker. If you are in a live game, get up, go to the restroom, walk around, whatever for at least 5 minutes. if you are playing a tourney, click the away button and go to the fridge, get some comfort food, then go back and play. but if youre not careful to control your emotions, you might end up weighing 300 pounds lol.---Gary | ||
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| Re: AHHHHHHHHHHH, kimmi690, 21. Sep 2003 09:22 | ||
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| LOL....We don't want that, do we... Thanks for the tips! Kimmi :) | ||
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| Re: AHHHHHHHHHHH, gary ford, 21. Sep 2003 10:05 | ||
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| on 21. Sep 2003 09:22 kimmi690 wrote: > LOL....We don't want that, do we... > > Thanks for the tips! > > Kimmi :) No from the picture i saw on Popular poker last night ( 4:02 A.M. ) you look just fine. Only you never showed for the tourney. I played anyhow. For the results, e-mail me at garyford3@aol.com > | ||
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| Re: AHHHHHHHHHHH, chasepoker, 20. Sep 2003 18:47 | ||
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| For the first hand i would say you played it pretty good and you just had a bad beat and i would love to play against the player who did what he did. > blinds are 400/800 [ CUT ] > I am dealt 8K suited, I bet 400, everyone folds except this guy...the flop For the second hand i think the first thing to say is a raise of 400 into a blind of 800 is going to result in the blind calling with almost any 2 cards ( let alone QQ !! ) they are getting over 6:1 on the pot ( pot of 2600 and a call of 400 ) and a decent NL player will call that especially after you have had a bad beat and are likely to throw up a lot of chips. However i dont think raising one off the button is too bad an idea if no one else is not in the pot, it is a pretty routine play in NL tournaments but i would say that a minimum raise of at least 3x the BB is needed to steal the blinds ( maybe more if the player concerned has a large stack ). But your play on the flop is fine i would go all in there almost every time trips with the second high kicker against one opponent. I think that you probably played both hands ok apart from the small raise preflop , but as it turned out the player was never going to ditch the QQ. Probably what you need to take from this experience is 1) you are going to suffer bad beats but it is part of the game you have to learn to handle them or you will be at a severe disadvantage 2) dont raise small preflop with a hand you dont really want to see a flop with. Consider this a great opportunity to learn for free and after enough of these situations you will take bad beats like water off a ducks back, i always judge my performance at a poker table by the decisions i make NOT by the results the occur. This means i am happier to get knocked out of a tournament having played well but suffered some bad beats than i am having done well but fluked it ! Good Luck Chasepoker PS The last sentence is about 50% true :-) | ||
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| Re: AHHHHHHHHHHH, Blade, 22. Sep 2003 08:19 | ||
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| Could someone please tell all the women who beat me on a consistent basis that they apparently can't play poker and as such it would be appropiate for them to give me my money back. | ||
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| Re: AHHHHHHHHHHH, kimmi690, 22. Sep 2003 19:49 | ||
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| If you are beaten on a consistent basis, maybe you should try gin rummy... Kimmi :) | ||
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| Re: AHHHHHHHHHHH, 4 POKER, 22. Sep 2003 20:02 | ||
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| on 22. Sep 2003 19:49 kimmi690 wrote: > If you are beaten on a consistent basis, maybe you should try gin rummy... > > Kimmi :) AHHHHH.... yes.....but he'd have to be verrrry careful not to run into a gin rummy expert who likes to play for $$$!! 4P- | ||
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| Re: AHHHHHHHHHHH, kimmi690, 22. Sep 2003 20:17 | ||
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| HEE HEE :) | ||
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| Re: AHHHHHHHHHHH, cafferacer, 26. Sep 2003 23:35 | ||
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| if it isnt a real money tourny for a decent buy-in, then expect those kinda situations (crap calling raises, drawing out with crap) but yours werent really badbeats, QQ is a nh against k-8 wouldnt ya say.....but the other hands just seemed like normal loose freeroll crap to me 10-7 is the nuts! | ||
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