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 Hand help... analyze please, Eihli, 19. Sep 2003 16:04 | ||
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| Party poker .5/1 I'm dealt AA UTG+1 I raise, get re-raised by UTG, I 3 bet, He caps and 4 of us see the flop Flop: 5h, 3c, 5c UTG bets, I raise, He 3 bets, I cap 4 see the turn Turn: Js He bets, I raise, he 3 bets, I call, 3 see the river River: 8h He bets, I call. The other 2 guys in the hand did nothing but call our raises the whole way and aren't a big part of the hand. How did I do? | ||
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| Re: Hand help... analyze please, Mark, 19. Sep 2003 16:43 | ||
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| It really depends on the other players, but > Party poker .5/1 I'm dealt AA UTG+1 > I raise, get re-raised by UTG, I 3 bet, He caps and 4 of us see the flop > Flop: 5h, 3c, 5c > > UTG bets, I raise, He 3 bets, I cap 4 see the turn I might have slowed down and not capped the flop. 2 people cold called a double raise. Could they be holding trips? > Turn: Js > > He bets, I raise, he 3 bets, I call, 3 see the river You capped the flop and he keeps coming? either he is a maniac or has a hand. Not only do you have to beat the bettor, two others keep tagging along (which would worry me). it might be wise to slow down here. Its a tough decision and would depend on my reads. Capping the turn would definately be a mistake after his 3 bet and the limpers calling. > River: 8h > > He bets, I call. you have to slow down and are right to only call. > The other 2 guys in the hand did nothing but call our raises the whole way and > aren't a big part of the hand. Actually, unless they were complete calling stations, i would think they are a goo part of the hand. What could they have to be calling so many bets? They have to figure you guys for overpairs. Depending on their texture, one of them could easily have trips. How did I do? Its hard to tell without knowing the players. When the J came and you keep getting bet into after capping the flop, i would start to worry. But if your opponents routinely overplay big pairs, i would keep betting. Either he is overplaying KK, or overplayed JJ before and on the flop, then got lucky on the turn. AK clubs could also be a possibility, did you have the Ace of clubs? Mark | ||
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| Re: Hand help... analyze please, Eihli, 19. Sep 2003 16:47 | ||
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| The other two guys played absolutely any hand, but would have raised if they had trips so I put them on either a flush draw or overcards, or maybe a small pair. No matter what they didn't worry me. UTG however re-raised me pre-flop and what hand could he have with that flop, that anyone would 3 bet preflop? | ||
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| Re: Hand help... analyze please, Mark, 19. Sep 2003 16:57 | ||
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| yeah, with his 3-bet preflop, the only way you're behind is if he had JJ. (assuming the callers are irrelevant). If he doesn't have JJ, he is seriously overplaying another pair or AK clubs. When he doesn't slow down on the turn, its hard to cap it (unless he is a maniac or has done something similar in the past with a bad hand). The more i think about it, raising the turn was correct, as was only calling the 3-bet, and calling the river. No matter what he had, he overplayed it at some point. I guess since it is a 0.50/1 limit game, he could have been raising with an A5suited. It would be a terrible play, but not the first time for that limit. Mark | ||
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| Re: Hand help... analyze please, Eihli, 19. Sep 2003 17:02 | ||
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| He had 55. | ||
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| Re: Hand help... analyze please, Eihli, 19. Sep 2003 17:07 | ||
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| > Party poker .5/1 I'm dealt AA UTG+1 > I raise, get re-raised by UTG, I 3 bet, He caps and 4 of us see the flop That's suppose to be, UTG calls, I raise, He 3 bets, I cap, 4 see the flop. Sorry about that. | ||
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| Re: Hand help... analyze please, 4 POKER, 19. Sep 2003 17:44 | ||
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| Hi Eihli, This is how I see it. The UTG limps in, you raise and get two callers. Then the UTG 3 bets the hand. If the UTG player is a decent player who makes reasonable decisions, I'd probably give him a big wired pair or AK suited. Though that's not the way I would play a big pair....some players do. What I got from the hand, was that your hand was the best hand on the flop. The turn however could be a different story. The UTG player 'could' have turned Jacks full, but not that many players play that hand in that fashion, preflop; especially after he got two other players behind you to call two bets cold. But everybody plays differently, and sometimes a player will play soundly preflop, and sometimes, he may not. Heck, he could have even flopped quads if he was capable of making such a strange play preflop. So you just don't know sometimes; how long have you been at his table?......what does he think of "your" play?....etc.,.etc.. If you don't have such information as of yet, then 'those' are the times that I would go with my own instincts; and with a board like that; with all that action that took place preflop....I'm going to think that my A-A was the best hand and raise the flop and I may cap off the turn, but it depends.. You said that the other two players were not a part of the hand, so you're not worried about that now. It's the "UTG player". Yes, the other players can draw out on you with whatever they may be holding, but if that was my hand, I would have played it the same way you did. I think if one of those players had trips or even a small full house, you would have gotten such information on the turn. Sometimes, I'll see players who will limp in with small to medium suited connectors...it gets raised, and then they 3 bet it. Some players also play big wired pairs the same way. So if he played either one of those starting hands like that; he very well could have flopped trip fives, or, he could hold a hand like K-K, and even the same hand that you had. (A-A). If he's a little "maniacal", and is capable of playing small pairs, or suited connectors that way, then maybe he has you beat. But I don't know.....I still think that I would have handled it the same way. Your raise on the turn was a good raise, but by him re-raising you there....you very well could be beat. It just doesn't seem that likely to me though. Not with that board. But he did raise you back, and he could have J-J, or a 5, or *better*. There's also no reason for raising the river either. (which I know that you didn't here...). You didn't improve, and if he had you beat already, then he'll make you pay 3 bets on the river opposed to just 1 call by you. You also have players behind you who could have called your preflop raise with a medium pair (or something like that), that may call your overcall to the UTG lead out bettor, and if you *do* have the UTG player beat, and you just call....you could pick up an extra bet (or two) from the players behind you as well. . I think you played the hand fine. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Hand help... analyze please, Boftx, 22. Sep 2003 10:37 | ||
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| I think 4 POKER alludes to a very important point. What had your play on prior hands told the UTG player you would raise with? In other words, did UTG have any reason to think you would have a PP or were you more likely to have AQ, AJ, etc? I personally would not 3-bet 55 UNLESS I had reason to think the raiser had a tendency to do so with big connectors, i.e. KQ. | ||
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