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 Pocket pairs, kimmi690, 19. Sep 2003 12:34 | ||
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| I have a real problem with pocket pairs...if I am holding a KK or QQ UTG, late, early whatever....I tend to play them through to the river...sometimes I win and most of the time I lose...what is the correct strategy to play these hands...and when should I fold (ie have 3 of a kind w/ str8 draw on the board).... Thanks, Kimmi :) | ||
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| Re: Pocket pairs, shorn, 19. Sep 2003 12:38 | ||
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| It all depends on board texture and how your opponents are behaving. Sometimes, it should be very easy to fold a big pair (like when there are 4 of a suit on the board and you don't hold one yet everyone else is betting/raising, etc.) and other times it is hard (the board is T227J and you hold QQ). But, what the action was like pre-flop and on the flop should give you a good indication as to whether or not your overpair is still good or not. I am surprised to hear you say that you lose "often" with these hands and win only a little bit. It has been my experience that these hands should be big winners over time for you (especially AA and KK), so maybe you are just in a bad run of cards? | ||
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| Re: Pocket pairs, kimmi690, 19. Sep 2003 12:45 | ||
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| "bad run of cards" LOL my life story! Thanks for the tip, let me ask you, if I raise and reraise pre flop, and am called by 6 out of the 10 players ( holding a KK, mind you) the flop comes KQT differnet suits, and everyone calls, what do you do? Hope thats not a stupid question! Kimmi :) | ||
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| Re: Pocket pairs, shorn, 19. Sep 2003 12:51 | ||
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| Not at all stupid. With that flop, there is obviously a chance that you are behind. However, you can only lose right now to two hands: AT and T9. These are not LIKELY holdings for 3-bets pre-flop, although you will see stranger things. Regardless, if it is bet to you or raised to you, you MUST raise again. Cap it if you can. You currently have 7 outs to your full house and it is quite likely that you are ahead. Try and eliminate anyon holding a lone A or T that could outdraw you. Again, I realize that you could already be behind, but you have a very big hand and need to put a lot of $$ in. If the turn brings 4 cards to the str8, then you need to slow down, but I most likely wouldn;t fold as the pot will be large enough to call as you now have 10 outs to the top full house/quads. I don't think i would raise though as with 4 cards to the str8 you are most likely behind. There will be times when you get beaten with these strong hands and you lose a ton of $$. But you will not be a winning player if you play afraid at any limit. With a hand like top set, you have got to be the one being aggressive. | ||
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| Re: Pocket pairs, shorn, 19. Sep 2003 12:52 | ||
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| oops...I meant AJ and J9 are the only 2 that beat you. Sorry! | ||
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| Re: Pocket pairs, SendMoney, 19. Sep 2003 21:53 | ||
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| When there are 4+ players in a pot and you raise with any pocket pair KK-22 you should never bet AGAINST someone holding an ace. Especially at low limits there are a lot of players who play any ace at any price. So if you raise hands like KK, QQ or JJ and the A comes on the flop you should be looking for a reason to fold. Some reasons to fold are a bet and a raise in front of you, or even an early position bet from a very tight player in some situations. As good as a hand like KK QQ or JJ are at low limit tables many people will call your raise with junk like A9o especially if they already limped in before you or if they're in the blinds. Before the flop you're about a 71% favorite to win against a weak ace like that, but if the ace comes on the flop you're now a 91% underdog unless you have something else working like a straight or flush draw. While you definitely shouldn't fold KK right away heads up when an A comes, if there are 6 or 7 players seeing the flop and the A comes you know deep down that somebody probably has it. Why not save your bets for the next time you have KK and the flop comes 2 6 10 or maybe A K 5? Which brings me to another point, whenever you hit a set into a board containing an A charge those suckers full price, don't slowplay, don't miss any bets, don't miss any raises or re-raises. When you hold 1010 and the flop comes A 10 7 you need to get AK AQ AJ A9s A8s etc to pay you back for all those times you paid off a weak ace when you didn't hit your set. | ||
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| Re: Pocket pairs, chardog, 21. Sep 2003 23:22 | ||
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| just wanted to say, great post | ||
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| Re: Pocket pairs, oboy, 21. Sep 2003 19:02 | ||
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| Hello, I am new at poker so I don't have any advice. But I can relate my experience. For the first couple of months I would not play my pocket pairs very aggressively. I would call and sometimes raise but never re-raise. On the flop I would bet or call but not re-raise. During this time they were money losers for me. I was winning the small pots and losing the big pots to flush and straight draws. I have since changed that and now play very aggressive. Since then they are now profitable. Just my experience. | ||
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| Re: Pocket pairs, Roy Cooke, 22. Sep 2003 06:54 | ||
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| Hi Kimmi How to play big pairs depends upon the texture of the situation that is current. Is there an overcard out? Are players that are aware you have an overpair still raising you indicating that your hand is no good. Many player marry their big wired pairs and take them too far and lose too much money with them when they are no good....Don't fall into that trap.....With experience you will learn to "feel" when they are good and when they are not....Don't be afraid to lay them down if you think the pot is not laying you the right price to pay off with them. Life is Good :-) Roy Cooke on 19. Sep 2003 12:34 kimmi690 wrote: > I have a real problem with pocket pairs...if I am holding a KK or QQ UTG, late, > early whatever....I tend to play them through to the river...sometimes I win and > most of the time I lose...what is the correct strategy to play these hands...and > when should I fold (ie have 3 of a kind w/ str8 draw on the board).... > > Thanks, > Kimmi :) > | ||
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| Re: Pocket pairs, Rex Tremendae, 24. Sep 2003 09:09 | ||
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| I think this is an excellent thread. If I understand correctly, limit HoldEm is being discussed here. I would welcome comments on how the game being NO-LIMIT changes a person's strategy with such a hand as KK, QQ, or JJ. Personally, I hate losing money with these hands to such an extent that I usually make it extremely expensive before the flop- anywhere from $8 to $20 in my online $50 no-limit hold-em game. Most of the time I only rake in a few bucks, and I lose my big bet with these cards (to a higher pair such as AA) on rare occasions. When someone gets out of line with trash like KJ off-suit or 98 suited, I'll clean up almost all the time. If the flop is rags, I'll make a HUGE bet before the turn to drive out AK, AQ, or a middle pair. | ||
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